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EDISON GENERAL FILE SERIES
1911
Edison General File Series
1911. Battery, Storage - Foreign - Bergmann, Sigmund (E-11-21)
This folder contains correspondence and other documents relating to the commercial development of Edison's alkaline storage battery in Germany and Austria-Hungary under the auspices of Sigmund Bergmann, head of the failing Deutsche Edison-Akkumulatoren-Co. in Berlin. Among the items for 1911 is a 24-page synopsis of events and agreements regarding the manufacture, sale, and organization of Edison's storage battery interests, through the German concern, during the period December 1903-May 1911. Also included are documents pertaining to an inspection of the German factory conducted by A.J. Doty of the Edison Storage Battery Co.; the resignation of H. H. Meno Kammerhoff and his subsequent employment by the Edison Storage Battery Co. in West Orange; Edison's visit to Germany in 1911- and his controversial opinions about German industry and business integrity. In addition to Edison and Bergmann, the correspondents include Emil Rathenau of Allgemeine Elektricitats-Gesellschaft; electrical engineer, illuminating company executive, and longtime Edison associate Charles L. Edgar; and electrical importer and Edison associate Philip H. Klein, Jr.
Approximately 90 percent of the documents have been selected. The unselected material consists of unsolicited correspondence and duplicates of selected items.
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Hy dear Edison,
The time has now come when I can go no further with the Deutsche Edison Co., and I am at the end of ny tether. Kammerhoff has resigned, as he has also given up ail hope of ever being able to make a success of the concern over here.
Te have been compelled to spend our time making nlokle oxide, as we|had taken contracts for the supply of old cells which had to be fulfilled, and we have not even yet finished with them. The new battery requires muoh oapital, and we have reached our limit of three millions without any prospeot of obtaining more , as our stock* holders have refused to put any more money Into the undertaking.
Tou will have seen from our last Balanoe Sheet bow we have Invested the money, and shat Is the tangible value of what la left.
The buildings and ground, of course, have the same value as when they j
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were first 'bought, and represent about t 500,000.-. The rest has been spent In manufacturing, tools, machinery, and a good deal has been swallowed up In the loss we have incurred through having to keep the plant going. Rogers can report to you as to the condition of the tools and plant, and I wish you would let me know what, you think would be best to do with It.
Unless you help ub, the only thing for us to do Is to. liquidate and shut down the faotory, sell out, and Just save *hat we can. Have you any Idea whether this whole plant could be sold out¬ right to your Bnglish friends? Or do you yourself feel Inclined to found a new Company In Germany, for the purpose of pushing your battery all over the whole Continent, taking over the plant, Including tools for the new battery for certain outputs, which we have nearly finished, but which It scarcely seems worth while to complete, as we are not In a position to oompOte with the lead^attery.
In the latter case, of course, I shall be only too glad to help you all I possibly can, but, although I have kept up my oourage until now, I see hp way out of the difficulty, and am going to quit making batteries. it certainly seems a great pity that, after the last six years' hard struggle and work, we have come to this result, and I of course did not for one moment expect, when I took over the con¬
tract with you, that matters would end like this. In any oase, I oan comfort myself with the thought that I and my colleagues are in no way to blame for the present state of affairs, as we have all ilong spared
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
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ThomaB A. Xdiaon Xaq Orange.
no effort and money to make this undertaking a good oommerolal eucoess, tut our tank vaa like that of shovelling mud against the tide.
Thin continual etruggle and worry hae made me haggard and grey, and I am tired of It, aa thla ie the first time In all my career that I have undertaken anything that 1 did not bring to a successful Issue; hut I do not care so much about this, my first failure - for I went into this matter with my eyes wide open, when you first proposed It to me, and am prepared to hear the oonsequenoes as far as I person¬ ally am concerned - as about the responsibility I took over when I reoommended this undertaking to my friends.
Hind, I do not intend this to be a fault-finding letter - as stated above, I am prepared to bear the consequences of my own action - but I do wish you would let me know openly whether you can suggest any solution of the difficulty, otherwise nothing remains for us to do but to shut down. 1 shall be glad to consider any proposal you have to make. Perhaps, as I understand you are Increasing your plant continual¬ ly, you would be willing to take over this plant in its entirety, and it would then be no trouble to ship It to America. As I said before, Bogers can give you details as to the condition of the plant.
Please let me hear from you by return of mall, for the matter Is most urgent.
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My dear Bdison,
I have youra of January 21st, and, aa you wrote me that you would talk to Rogers about taking over our tools and Jigs, I have waited until now for a proposal from you in this matter, hut, as you have trot written, I thought it better to answer your letter, because, as I wrote you before, we cannot go along any longer as we are doing.
I am somewhat aurpriBed that you Bhould write me that it 1b not adTl sable to manufactured! Europe at all, but that it would be cheaper to bw the cells from you direct. Of courBe, this all de¬ pends on the price you will quote us. Please, therefore, send me prlceB for all the cells you now have on the market immediately on.
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (MACHINE DEPARTMENT).
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Thomas A. Edison Esq., Orange.
receipt letter, together with the guarantees which l oan
give purchasers.
Up to now, I havebeen constantly under the impression that the only way to obtain the cells cheaply In Europe and to make some money would he to manufacture In Germany, and, perhaps, later, in England or Prance. As you will »oolU8t. 1 g° *
with the expensive machinery for f illin^and the o ' *
until you wrote me that you could not supply me with the plates/Tas per your letter of June 21st, 1910, in which it is stated that 1 should make the flakes far cheaper here than you could do.
I should, of course, he only too glad if I could see my way clear to work under better conditione. Before, however, I stop
manufacturing entirely, I must have an answer from you to the moBt important question! Will you he able to deliver sufficient cells in due time, ifaspite of your beihg 10,000 cells behind your orders (as you have written me), and, if so, at what price can you sell us same and batteries f.o.b. Hew York, including packing?
With regard to the small celle for lighting, Bparklng etc., your Company writes me in a letter of Eebruary 10th of this year that it will be impossible to fill our orders for positive plateB for some 300 cells, type B 4 before a long time, because you are a thousand of these email cells behind. Our order was placed as early ^ September 1910, and we have not yet reoeived • single plate . We have|aaked
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Thomas
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Orange.
you again and again to Bend ub some^but without any reoult.
If x any cells from you, it would
only he a very abort time before we should have, not only to liquidate hut also to go into bankruptcy; it would practically mean going from fire ihto hell.
The Italian wavy 18 positively prepared to give us an order for 610 big cells of a capacity of 4350 ampere hourB. As soon as the tube cells which we sent down for a trial this month have been tested, and there is no doubt they will prove satisfactory, then we are sure to get the order. We shall then need two million tubes. Please, therefore, let me know at once whether you can furnish us these tubes, as we cannot possibly produce them ourselves, as we have not the necessary facilities even for a much smaller quantity of s ame. Please also write me what they will cost. The price you have given us for the small quantity you have sent bo far is much too high, and no doubt you can do better if you get such a Big order.
As there will be a meeting of our Shareholders next month,
I shall be obliged to explain the present situation fully, and show the Stockholders, especially the Deutsche Bank, how matters stand; and unless I show them that I can accept your offer in buying batteries from you and keep the Company alive, they will force me to shut down, liquidate, and get out of business. Please, therefore, let me know by return what tools and JlgB and special machinery you can take off my hands, and I can then make you a price for the same. What you can take over is, I think, all the punches, dies, the flat pocket
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
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Thomas A. Bdison Esq., Orange.
filling machines, the few tuhe-filling mnhihes which we have, the tube- drawing machine, the rollerB for perforating the stock, the canning machines, the rolling apparatus, the perforated strip plating machines, and the drums for flake plating. All these;. , I am sure, you can use, and Rogers can tell you that they are all very carefully made.
Your suggestion to Bhut- down and only Bell the batteries
strikes me very favourably, only we have to be sure, as I said above, that you can furnish the cells we sell here at Buch prices as will enable us to sell them and still make a little profit.
1 assure you once more that the situation is very precarious and is becoming very uncomfortable for me personally, and it must be decided definitely one way or the other at once., as I cannot pacify the people interested in this concern any longer.
Sincerely yours.
N . Y. Maroh 13 / 11
Hr. T. A. Edison Orange,
Dear Sir:
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I would like to have a few minutes conversation with you on a subjeot in whloh Mr. Bergmann is interested and about whioh he has written me that perhaps you can put him oh the. righ/ft track .
I will therefore be obliged if you will let me know by mail or by telephone when I may call on you about this matter and meanwhile remain.
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My dear Edison,
Mr. Doddy has now teen here for some time, iftvostigatifcg the plant of the Edison Accunulatoren-Co. , and I think we have shown •
him that, as we^stand at present, we cannot go on any longer.
I wish, therefore, you would make us a proposition, ae to how we can get out of this dilemma. I and our shareholders are of course willing to lose a oertaln amount of our Investment, aB it iB only a question of whether you will help us, or whether we shut down.
1 have given Ur. Doddy a list of toolB and machihery which j
are available, and whidi you, or any concern who Is willing to manu- ;
facture these batteries, can use, and Mr. Rogers can check and corro¬ borate this list, aB he aleo knove exactly what the condition of the vdiole plant ie. \ '
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
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Thomao A. Edison Esq., Orange.
We have had an open talk with Mr. Doddy, and he can report to you exactly how matters stand.
As far as I myself am concerned, and I think the shareholders of the Deutsche-Edleon will agree with me lh thlB, I have no objection to your taking over this plant yourself, or to anyone else, whom you may designate, doing so. At all eventB, we all want to get out of this, and, as I have written you before, I cannot pacify the share¬ holders any longer. I hav^been pacifyitig hhem now for the last six years, and they claim -that neither you nor I have fulfilled our pro¬ mises.
I think that you and Mr. Doddy, who now understands the vhole situation thoroughly, together can form a plan to make our Company some proposal.
The total loss so far on the whole capital Is $ 275,000 — , and the available assets, special machinery, tools, and special plant, are t 116,000.- This only Includes the special buildihg which had to be put up for the chemical plant, but not the ordinary factory build¬ ings' and the ground, the value of which you can Bee from the Statement and Balance Sheet which we send you every year.
Al* the I 750,000.- has been paid In, as you will Bee, with the exception of 15^.
Now, Edison, I wish you would take this up in earnest and
help me to get out of this dilemma as soon as possible, as nobody wants or,,, rnmev In+.n t.he concern, and. If YOU do not help me, it
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BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Thorns A. Edison Esq ., Llewellyn Parte , Orange.
mean* simply shutting down and a bigger Iobb than if we could come to some solution of the difficulty quickly, and do something one way or the other, for the plant 1b worth more in operation than if it 1b diut, down, even if only for a short time.
I, of course, should have Bhut down long ago, if it had not been that I was still hoping that we should he able to pull through, and if it had not been for your and my reputations, as this is really the first time in my life that I have undertaken anythihg which I did not bring to a successful issue.
As you are aware, my concern (not the Deutsche Xdlson Co*^ took up the manufacture of automobiles for the purpose of introducing the Edison battery on to the market . This, of course, goes lb con¬ junction with the battery business , and, if no more batteries are made, mo more eleotrlc cars will be built.
I am, therefore, sending you a complete Bet of the drawings of the con struot ions of the® electromoblles, which I think are superior to anything you have over there. You can make use of these drawings freely at your own will, and in fact, if you wish it, I can also send
you patterns for same, as soon
3 1 have collected them from the
foundry and fixed them up, and you can also use these without any ex¬ pense to yourself.
We have altogether built about one hundred of these waggons. With regard to the big battery for submarines, Mr. Doddy has seen the first two cells, and will bring photos and data with him.
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
SShomaB A. Edison Esq
the two cells which we have Unlit are, as I have already written you, intended for the Italian Navy, and, If we are successful in obtaining
the order I mentioned In my last letter, v^nust see If you can perhaps or the Italian Navy furnish us^wlth the cells direct.
Hoping to hear from you by return of post, I am,
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[ATTACHNIENT/ENCLOSURE]
March 24, 1911*
S. Bergmann, Esq.,
23-32 Oudenarder Str. ,
Berlin, II. , Germany.
My doar Bergmann:
Perhaps you had hotter have Kline come over and see what wo ore doing in tho battery- To-day we aro 12,000 cells bohind ordors, notwithstanding we make 365 cells per day. By April 15th we will turn out BOO colls per day, and 1 am making machinery to run it up to 2,000 oells- This is no romance: Kline con verify. We aro replacing lead bat¬ teries at $800.00 when the same people can buy the lead at §210.00 and these people have used both load and Edison.
There is no use giving you the reasons why they do so; it would take too long- Perhaps X could sum it up in tho remark made by the Superintendent of Hearn & Go. that "A few hundred dollars more or Iobb prioe|botweon two types of battery was of no onnsequence to them if they got reliability end mileage, whioh they did with tho Edison battery, and he believed that the Edison battery was much ohoapor in the end than a load battery any way."
How Bergmann, I think X had bettor not advise you what to ao in connection with the German battery situation, beoauBe I do not know all the conditions.
I havo not ohanged my mind in the slightest partiou-
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3. Borgmonn- 2.
lar as to the future of the battery — its ubo will ho onormous.
I havo sent you oolls and tubes, lithia, oto., to help you out, hut Klino will learn that wo had to ao it hy withholding shipments to others.
I have had figures gotten out so as to make you a prioe on iron pookots and niokol tubes, which 1b the most dif¬ ficult part of tho whole business.
By not oharging any ovorhoad expenses , I could ship weekly, if taken in quantity, at the following prices:
lubes complete, A4 typo, $43.20 per thousand.
Iron Pockets complete, A4 typo, §15.36 per thousand.
Those prioos include royalty, f.o.b. Factory Orange, paoking extra.
At these prices I only charge repairs on tools, depreciation on tools and interest, labor and material, to which I add 12?S profit — no general expense- In time we will probably bo able to materially roduoo, as we are constantly experimenting to 'reduce costs.
Making those tubes horo will requiro a very consider¬ able inveBtmont of monoy on my part, should your ordors roaoh large proportions.
If you buy tubes and pockets, tho work in the Borman faotory would bo a more nothing.
I havo talked to Rogers and he says we could not use tho tools or machines you have, as our maohines have been so oonBtantly improved, as well aB methods and dies, that they would not work in our system.
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1 NY H 79 Collect CB New York Apl 34- T'nos A Ndison ,
r,,1Harm Wpw York wire when did you send answer to my letter March 33rd Is very urgent Am now positively compelled to give up making batteries and shut down factory after you in 24 th Have raised price for tubes over fifty »e^nM^sfiyenicentf instead of helping us If you supply tubes for two point five cents could accept orders for submarine batteries and try to keep up little longer. _ , ■
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Laboratory.
little rate for
In accordance with your instructions, I have forwarded the follow- to Hr. Bergraanh;—- .
Ediaonooll,
Berlin.
Bergmann:- The prices quoted on tubes are the lowest possible; leaves no profit. We got hundred twenty five dollars kilowatt hour throe hour
submarines eighth inch tubes. V . .
You will note the first sentence has been slightly changed, in order to code a, but I. am sure the sense has not in any way been destroyed.
I return to you Hr. Bergrmum's cable addressed to Hr. Edison.
Yours very truly.
LYR
COMMUNICATIONS TO THE FOREIGN DEPARTMENT.
Dear Sir,
I am in receipt of your favour of the 27th ult., and am pleased to note that Mr. Edison le having some samples of tungste wire sent me .
I would ask you to convey my heet thankB to. Mr. Edison for same , sndjremain,
My dear Edison,
I enclose you herewith synopsis of the whole hiBtory of the •Deutsche Edison Company, with the short-comings, contradictions, and non-fulfilments of promises which you have made during the last six years. This summary has been asked for hy the Executive Committee and principle Shareholders cf the Deutsche Edison Company, and has been drawn up hy Mr. Kammerhoff •
How, Edison, if you really mean]to help me out of this scrape, you must do so at once, as I am placed in a very ugly position. As you are no douht aware, I have exchanged the following telegrams with Mr. Doty, who, I presume, is your representative and is acting in your
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
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ffrom Doty
26.4. Bavourabl e proBpectB. Purchase propoeal Satur¬ day - Doty
3.5. $ X0000, now $ 90000,
possession 60 days - Doty
5.5. Propose purchase capital stock company name price - Doty .
To Doty.
1.5. Have not received purchase proposal. Our Stockholders want to take final steps. Answer ty cable - Bdisoncell
4.5. Refer to your cablegram 3rd. Can read your tele¬ gram by code, but do not understand It. What do you expect lo buy for 100 000 Doll.? Bdisoncell.
9.5. We have Invested # 750.000 Including all property and whole plant. Are willing to lose I 250.000 and tunr over whole capital stock of $ 750,000, Biibject to approval of Deutsche Bank. Make a definite offer for my negociations.
Unfortunately, I have not yet received a reply to this last telegram,
and, until I do eo, my hands are naturally utterly tied, as 1 have no
definite proposal to lay before my Shareholders. 1 trust, therefore.
that this reply will soon come to hand, as the position here 1b becoming'
more serious every day. Iam not the man to squeel; but it is not
bo much for my own loss that I am fighting now - although X am not so
rich as to be able to bear such losses with equanimity - but it is
more for the Shareholders and for your and my reputations in the eyeB of the Deutsche Bank aid their asseiates an* other influential people
over here.
You no doubt remember, when I returned to Germany from America in 1904, with the scheme for starting an Bdison Battery Company over here, that it was only on the strength of the figures you gave me in your own handwriting that I was able to persuade the Deutsche Bank and
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others to come in and form this Company. Your estimate of the coat and profits of the battery and its manufacture reads as follows "I figure out the prdfts which the German Coi: will in all ■probability make -
"If the factory makeB 300 cells <18 plate) per day, costing we fwlll say * 6. — per cell and selling for $ 10.— , which iB ■the price we sell in America, the gross profit for one year "of 300 days should be 1360 000.— Deducting the royalty "of 60 cents per cell, amounting to * 54 000., there remains "• 306,00. Deducting six '.per cent dividend to the Shareholders ■on the capital, which is * 45 000., there remains $ 261 000., ■One third of this amount going to German Co. is S 87 000.- "Therefore the gross profit to German Co. is
6^ Dividend . •* 45,000 —
Proportion surplus profits . * 87.000 —
*132,000 —
"Approximately 17-J- per cent on the stock. In my opinion, the ■proposed capital is sufficient for a factory including chemical ■Works for mfg. 600 cells daily in that case the surplus "profits going to the German Co. would be twice as great:
Dividend 6# . * 45,000 —
Proportion of Surplus profits . - *174.000 —
* 219,000 —
■ or approximately 29/£ on the Capital Stock.
Thos. A. Edison,
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
I „ you thl. Juul in c... you InU no. » copy to you,
„d .hop*. h» forgotten to «... » ... n,.o . ...«« hopes at the t ime*
You will doubtless also remember that, beyond the money X am losing on this Deutsche Edison Storage Battery Company, there Is also * 40,000.oo to * 50.000.oo which I paid you and Mr. Dick for the interests I hold in the European Patent Company, which has also, up to the present, been a co^lete failure . X have never mentioned this deal to you since, nor have I ever heard a wont mor^regarding same,
or any result of the investment.
Now, Edison, I am very sorry' to have to bother and worry you, but, as X have written you before, I do not know what to do, so I sincerely hope you will see your way clear to help me out of this hole. As I know that you are a flm believer in your battery, and as, in fact, I am myself sure that you will in the end come out on top, you ffiust surely be able to make use of our plant here; the prop^and buildings I can possibly dispose of, even at somewhat les^than the original cost, if you or your party do not want to carry on manufactur¬ ing over here.
Will you please telegraph me immediately oh receipt of this letter what you can do, or that you will send somebody over at once, with your instructions and with power to settle this matter up, and I should be very thankful to you and not forget that you h a, e helped me out of this scrape.
^urs sincerely,
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Correspondence and Verbal Negoclations with Mr. EdiBon before and after the formation of the •Deutsche Edison Akkuraulatoren-Company, O.m.b.H.
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Mr. Edison wrote to Mr. Bergmann on December 7th, 1903, that the last, and, at the same time, the worst existing difficul¬ ty had been overcome. The machines for filling the pockets had been put into operation on the day the letter v/as dated, and in the following week It would be possible to proceed, with the oon- vlctlon that everything was In beBt order, and that every defect in the battery had been removed.
In the meantime, up to the summer of 1904, verbal negociatlons took place between Mr. Bergmann and Ur. Edison, the result of which was that Mr. Edison authorised Hr. Bergmann, by letter dated September 30th, 1904, to form a Company In Germany to manufacture the Edison battery and exploit the patents In that country. Thie authorisation was to the effect that Mr.
Bergmann should start the German Company within seven months, dating from September 30th. Mr. Edison detailed the general terms and the Btyle of contract he would be willlhg to make with the Sennan Company. At the same time, Ur. Edison remarked In his letter of Beptenfcer 30th, 1904 that he was In a position to supply the active material for a oell of 115 empire hours, l.e., type l tor > US. ■ M« B«4*» that ta a “hort
time to be able.to reduce this cost.
Baaed on the above-mentioned price, the corresponding price for the standard cell type H 27 made later in Germany would anoint to M. 8.19. In addition, Mr. Edison remarked that he
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wouldbe prepared to supply the act immaterial to the German Company at 25^ above manufacturing cost, and for as long a period until the German Compaq should he In a position to manufacture tho activ^materlal themselveB.
In a letter of the next day, in hlB own handwriting, dated October 1st, 1904, Mr. Edison expressed In detail his ex¬ pectations with regard to the prosperity of the Germai undertaking.
This letter reads as follows :- "Bergmann !
I f igure]out the profits which the German Co . will "lh all probability make
"If the factory makes 300 cells (18 plate) per day "costing we will say $ 6. per cell and selling for ■$ 10. which is the priccjwe sell in America, the "gross profit for one year of 300 days should be •* 360 000.- Deducting the royalty of 60 cents "per cell amounting to t 54 000., there remains »| 306 000. Deducting six per cent dividend to the •Stockholders on the capital whidi is t 45 000.,
■there remains $ 261 000. One third of this •amount going to German Co. is $ 87 000.- ■Therefore the gross profit to Germai Co. is
dividend . * 45,000
Proportion surplus profits - - - - > 87,000,
• 132,000
"approximate 17 on the stock. In my opinion . •the proposed capital iB sufficient for a factory •including chemical Borks for mfg. 600 veils •daily. In that case the surplus profits •going to die German Co. would be twice as great
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» Dividend 6^ . • 46,000
Proportion of sutq>lus profit . . ■ t 174,000 -
$ 819,000 —
■or approximately 29/ on the capital stock.
ThOB. A. Edison."
The turnover mentioned ih thlB letter corresponds to the manufacture of 200 and 400 cells respectively of the type H Zff. Mr. Edison, therefore, assuned that. In all proh ability, the estimated results could he commercially obtained in Germany, and stated that a capital of M. 3.000.000 -- would suffice to obtain this end.
On the basis of this information, Mr. Bergmann was able to interest the Deutsche Bank, aB well as Bank Director Eritz GUnther, and other smaller Shareholders, sufficiently for the formation of a German Company, so that they declared their read¬ iness to acoept the agreement submitted by Mr . Edison. In order to expedite^natters as much as possible, Mr. Bergmann had, in th^meantlme, before the end of the year 1904, leased the factory and ground Drontheimerstrasse 35/38, whidi was later purchased, and at the same time had commenced to lnstal machine tools and also to make the necessary tools for the manufacture^ the batteries .
The latter was possible after Mr. Edison had allowed the foreman engaged by Mr. Bergmain to £±udy the manufacturing methods in the Shops In ITew Jersey.
Mr. Edison stated in letters dated November 28th and 29 til, 1904, that, in the^batterles made up to that time, serious defects had developed and that, in consequence, he felt compelled to stop manufacturing the type E cell and to close down his Shops as far as the manufacture of further cells was concerned. The defects in queetioh consisted mainly ih leakage of the cans, and, further, the oapaclty of the cells differed considerably, and also short— circuits occurred between thej?lates, but, in the opinion
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of Hr. Edison, these defects would he avoided in the Improved type H cell, which was to he manufactured in Germany.
In a later letter, dated December 9th, 1904, Mr.
Edison again reiterated that he did not propose to manufacture further hatt’eriee before the cause of the defects had been dis¬ covered, and removed, and, further, remarked that he expected every day to overcome the difficulties in question.
In a number of letters written between October up to the end of December 1904, Mr. Bergmann kept Mr. Edison continually informed that the factory in Germany was working on the preparation of the tools and that good progress was being made.
On January 11th, 1905, Mr. Edison wrote that he hoped to find the cause for the losejln capacity of individual cells shortly. He recommended that, for the time being, only the tools be made, but no cells manufactured, and expressed the opinion that the tools which were being made in accordance with drawings supplied by him would need no alteration, and that the new cell type H, as it would be manufactured in accordance with his wishes in Germany, would fulfil itsipurpose .
On March 21st, 1905, Mr. Edison stated that he was having new patent applications worked out, aid that all parts of the cell, as manufactured up to then, would remain unchanged, with, the exception of the positive plates, which were being altered.
On January 23rd, 1905, Mr. Edison was requested by let¬ ter to Bend active material, in order to enable teBts to be made with filling pooketB. He replied, however, on March 28th, 1905, that he was not able to send active material, and that, apart from this, he would not do so, even if he could, as he wished to prevent similar mistake also being made in Germany.
Naturally, as a result of this refusal on Mr. Edison's part to send active material for experimental purposes, it was impossible to proceed with despatch with the work lh Germany.
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On April 19th, 1905, Mr. EdlBon wote that he was making good progress with his work,, and that he hoped, In a few dayB, to report on the alterations that were necessary to the new oell.
At the same time, Mr. Edison again pointed out that he could not possibly eend active material for tiie preparation of cells io Germany. In consequence, nothing further could be done but to await the development of affaire In America.
On June 22nd, 1905, eeveral gridB and perforated stripe for making pookete were sent to Mr. Edison, In order to show him the progress that had been made with the tools In Germany. On July 26th, Mr. Edison wrote with regard to tests made at that time with the new type of cell, and pointed out that the cell was much stronger and had a longer life, as compared to the former oell type E. The oost of producing a cell of 150 ampere hours* oapaolty he said to be only M. 4 — more than for the older type, having a capacity of 115 ampere hours. Mr. Edison wrote further that the tools made in Germany could be used without alteration for the manufaotureof the new cell, and that it would only be necessary to make BOme additional tools.
The tests made in Germany went to Bhow that the welding machines sipplled by Mr. Edison for welding the oanB were not up to the mark. In consequence, we adopted the acetelyne method of welding, vhlch had considerable advantages ae oompared to the eleotrle welding machines, so that the latter were discarded.
Jurther, the completion of the tools had advanoed to such an estent that, in order not to stop work altogether, it wae neoeeeary to receive further particulars from Mr. Edison.
At the same time, the patent action Edison versus Jungner had been definitely concluded by the declaration of invalidity of the fundamental patent of Jungner in Oermany. It thus appeared neoeeeary to take energetic steps to prooeed with Ihe manufacture
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of the Edison battery In Germany.
In aonsoquence, Ur. Bergmann deeided to go to America In Jebruary 1906, In order to convince himself pereonally udiat could be done in order to avoid further loss of time and money.
On the ocoaelon of this visit in Amerioa, it was evident that the production of the new type cell on a manufacturing scale wae at that time not to be thought of. The machines for filling the round pockets used in the new cell were not ocnplete, and many questions in connection with the tools required therefor still unsettled. In view of Hr. Bergmann' s remarks, Hr. Edison then deoided to give his consent to the manufacture^ the type H cell in Germany. Upon this, the work still remaining to be done was hurried forward as fast as possible, and, in consequence, in August 1906, it was possible for the first time to prepare a schedule of the probable manufacturing costs in Oermany.
This, however, went to show that they would be consider¬ ably higher than the manufacturing costs assuned by Mr. Edison in his letter of *ctober lBt, 1904. The main oause of thlB lay in the fact that Mr. Edison charged so much more for the material supplied by his chemloal Works than he had assumed in the first lnstmce. He had assuned the price of M. 8,90 for active material for a cell H 27, while the amount aotually charged by him was M. 16.32. On the other hand, it was not possible to settle li. 63 — as the selling prioe in Oermany for the H 27 cell, although this would present no difficulty for American conditions, and, in consequence, we were very soon compelled to be content with a grass sslllng pries of M. 45 — for the H 27 csll. In con¬ sequence, there.hr ose a serious discrepancy between the manufactur¬ ing cost and the Bailing price, so that, owing to the higi prices that had to be paid to Mr. Edison for the aotive material, the manufacturing ooet of the oell H 27 amounted to rihout M. 4 1 — .
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There could, therefore, he no question of profit, hut only of supplying the market to a limited degree with cells at a loss, in order not to keep the factory and Its staff Idle, and to lose time U8ele8ely.
According to Mr. EdlBon's opinion, It had, further, to he takBn into account that the new cell could he manufactured within a short time, so that condition b would then he considerably improved.
It was duly taken into consideration whether it would he possible to stop manufacturing in Germany altogether until the manufacture of the new cell could he taken up. Such a proceeding, however, did not appear opportune, as i^vas to he feared that, in consequence, the reputation of the Edison battery in Europe would suffer to an irremediable extent.
On addressing Mr. Edison on the subject, he replied on October 26th, 1906, that he was well aware that the prices charged for active material were high, hut that he could not alter this statejof affairs, as, owing to the Chemical Works not being fully occupied, the establishment charges were very high, hut that, at a later date, considerable improvement might he expected in this respect.
On Hovember 19th, 1906, Mr. Bergmann wrote to Mr. EdiBon that matters oould not he continued in the present faBhion, as this would simply mean ruin to the German Company. Mr. Bergmann pointed out that the establishment charges were very high, and that something must be done in order to prevent further lose. Mr. Bergmann propessd that the German Company should take up the manu¬ facture of elsetric ears, in order to improve the situation. On Deeeniber Bth, Mr. Edison, hoaevsr, replied that he oould not give hie consent to the proposition that the German Company should take up the manufacture of other articles then batterlee.
On DecWber 16th, 1906, Mr. Bergmann wrote to Mr. Edison
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acknowledging receipt of hie letter declining to give hie consent. Mr. Bergmann pointed out that, even If manufacturing were to be stopped, nevertheless heavy expenses would continue. Mr. Berg¬ man further asked whether Mr. Edison could not Bend particulars for making the tools for the new Battery, in order that the staff and workmen of the Herman Company might he occupied, as they could notfae dlacharged. On Aprll27th, 1907, Mr. Beremann Informed Mr. Edison that he could not possibly wait any longer, and that he would, therefore, come to America, In order to negooiate with Mr. Edison personally; and, further, that he would bring Mr. Kammerhoff with him, in order that the latter might study the de¬ tails of the new cell on the spot. In connection with the inves¬ tigation s made in June and July in Orange, Mr .Edison then wrote on July 22nd, 1907, that he considered the new cell sufficiently advanced to advise us to commence manufacturing same slowly. In addition, Mr. Edison gave the German Company permission to sell batteries everywhere ih Europe and also in England, for the petiod of one year.
The actual manufacturtjof the new cell in the simmer of 1907 was, however, out of the question, as neither the toolB nor the special machines were sufficiently developed. At Mr. EdiBon* s suggestion, on the other hand, the necessary tools for the new cell were taken in hand, and, in addition, the manufacture of the old type H cell web continued in order not to leave the factory and Btaff unoccupied until the new cell was ready for ihe market.
In addition, it waB arranged with Hr. Edison that he should send, as soon as possible, a tube-filling machine to Germany, so that similar machines could be taken in hand on this side.
The plan to improve the unsatisfactory commercial position of the German Company by making dectric cars in addition to the batteries could not be consummated, as Mr. Edison declined to give his consent to euch extra work being undertaken.
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On October 15th, 1907, Mr. Bergmann enquired by telegram and By letter whether Mr. Edieon had despatched the filling machines. 0» October 29th, 1907, Mr. Edison replied that he had had a filling machine packed on the same day, aid that he believed that he would be able to give Mr. Bergipann the order for making the necessary machines for a battery factory in England.
On January 8th, 1908, Mr. Bergmann wrote to Mr. Edison that he had as]®d several times for nickel flakes, but had not received them, and at the same time Mr. Bergmann asked for per¬ mission to be able to continue the sale of Edison batteries in Europe and England until about December 31st, 1908, or longer.
On January 23rd 1908, Mr. Edison replied that Mr. Bergmann appeared to think that rapid progress was being made in America. Mr. Edison said, however, that he had only just been in a position to erect the apparatus for preparing nickel flakes, and that it would, in consequence, take ten or fourteen days before he would be able to send several pounds of these flakes.
On the other hand, however, he stated that a small cample would be sent at once.
On January 27th, 1906, Mr. Edison wrote to Mr. Beremann>' that he had received a telegram in which Mr. Bergmann asked for several sanple cells of the new type with round pocketB . Mr. Edison remarked that he had not completed any new cells, and, further, did not know when they v/ould be ready. Ab soon as the new type of cell, however, should be sufficiently advanced, he would send a sairple to Germany, and believed that tie first cell would be ready in *out four weeks.
On March 6th, 1908, Mr. Bergmann wrote to Mr. Oilmore that he had received no reply to his letter to Mr. Edison dated January 8th, and that the illness of Mr. Edison at the time was doubtless the cause of this. Mr. Bengmees requested Mr. Oilmore to approach Mr. Edison with a view to obtaining permission for the
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Oerman Compnay to sell batteries In the whole of Europe for a lengthy period. Mr. Bergmann pointed out that, In view of the high prices at which the old type H cell had to be sold in Germany, it would never be posBlble to do a business in this in Germany alone. In this letter of March 6th, 1908, it 1b further recorded that up to December 31st 1907, 1344 cells type H 27 in all had been sold, and that a royalty of t 1223.04 due to Mr.
Edison had been credited to him.
On July 17th, 1908, Mr . Bergmann Bent Mr. Edison the new lists that had Just been published, showing that the German Conipany, in addition to the electromobile cells type H 18, H 27, and H 45, was also making smaller cells type P 9, P 18, P 27, and 0 18. Mr. Bergmann pointed out that, up to then, the turnover in standard eleotromobile cells type H 27 had been very small, ® we were not in a position to reduce the prices sufficiently to meet competition. The letter further stated that a small experimental plant for active material, built according to the so*called "old" process, had bem completed and that jfr. Bergmann had decided to increase this plant to such an extent that active material for about 50 eelle H 27 per day could be mde . it was further stated that we hopeddto produce the active material for cell H 27 for about M. 8. 40. as compared toK. 16.32, which latter amount we had to pay at that time for material procured from Amerioa.
Mr. Edison wae, in addition, requested to end the Chemist Mr. Arbogaat to Germany, in order that the^atter might advise us in the^nanufaeturcjbf the iron raasajfor tho negative sldaof the cells. Mr. Bergmann also drew Mr* Edison's attention to the faet that everything possible was being done in Germany to find a market for the Edison cells, as could be dearly seen not only from the lists of the Edison Company, but also from th^Lists of the Bergmann Electrical Works issued by the eleotromobile depart¬ ment. This letter also placed on record that, up to the 1st July
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1908, 2544 0011 e type H 27 in all had been Bold and that the royalty due, amounting to $ 2315.04, had "been placed to Mr.
Edison's credit.
On July 30th, 1908, Mr. Edison replied to the above- mentioned letter that he could not possibly send Mr. Arbogaet to Germany, ae he had no one to replace him, and that hie own work would be Interrupted if he were to allow hie chemist to go. Mr. BdiBon suggested that a young man from the Technical High School in Charlottenburg should be sent to America, whom he would instruct. Mr. Edison remarked that his new processjfor producing the iron material was very cheap and that it would be poBBlble to make the iron in Germany for 20 cents per poundl He further stated that he would probably be In a position to supply act immaterial for half the price charged up to the present as soon as the plant for the manufactureTof active material, which was then in processjjf construction, was completed. Mr. Edison also said that the new cells whioh were then being completed were satisfactory, and had already been run for 3000 miles in a car, and that, although the @ chassis had to be continually repaired, the battery had developed
no defect whatsoever.
Mr. Edison further stated that he ecpeoted to complete twenty-five filling machines for tubes in Bix weeks, and then would commence manufacture.
On September 16th, 1908, Mr. Bergmann wrote that ho had engaged a Chemiet , Dr. Harold, and that he would send him to America for the purpose of studying the^attery.
On January 8th, 1909, the German Company wrote a lengthy letter to Mr. Edison, stating that It would not be poeelble to con¬ duct the bualneee In Ihe present faahlon any longer. It was pointed out that the manufacturing coet for a battery of sixty-four cells, H 27, amounted to $ 480. oo, without taking aatabliahment oharges Into account, while, ae compared to thl e manufacturing
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coet, the nett>elliiig price was only * BOO.oo. The German Company hollered It could reduoe the manufacturing ooet to t 416. oo ae Boon ae the aotlve material ooul d he produced In Germany for half theories of that which the German Comp aiy waB then compelled to pay for Amerloan material.
These figures were^ased on the assumption that, In Germany, about 100 cdLls type H 27 would he manufactured per day, hut that if less were made the manufacturing cost would, of course, increase, and, further, the general situation would he serious should the cell s have to he sold at Btill lower prices,
Mr. Edison was therefore requested, In order to enable the business to he continued, to ®ree to an alteration in the agreement made with him, to the extent that the German Company should not pay royalty until the new cell had been placed on the market, and until the money loet had been regained. Jurther, that, In addition to the new Edison battery, other articles might he manufactured in Germany, and, finally, that Edison batteries might he sold all over Europe, with the exception of England, dur¬ ing such time as the cells were not being manufactured in the particular countries in question. It was further pointed out that, up to that time, a Iobb of approximately M. 1.000.000 had been incurred, and that the present situation was unbearable.
Mr. Bsrgmann Bent at the same time a covering letter to Hr. Edison, in ifclch he wrote that Mr. Karamerhoff was going to America to dlscuBB the matter verbally with him. Mr. Bergmam stated that he was no longer In a position to pacify the Company in Germany, more especially as the loss incurred was critical with reference to the capital paid up» and that steps must be taken to put the business on a solid basis, and Mr. Beremann hoped that Mr. Edison would give these representations his serious attention.
In view of the representations made both by letter and
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verbally, Mr. Edison wot# on February 11th, 1909, to the German Company that he would he prepared, under the existing olroumetancee, to alter the oontraot of 8eptenfcer 28th, 1906, In the following manner S-
Prom Maroh let, 1909, up to 8 lx months after the date upon which the American Company begins to manufacture the new cell on a commercial haele, no royalty Bhall he paid.
Mr. Edison to write ae soon aB thiB period bad elapsed, after which the p^rment of royalty should reoamnence.
This tenporary stoppage of the payment of royalty to he agreed to on the condition that the Germany Company should it once commence to make the necessary machines and toolB for the manufacture of the cell Type A, in order that the manufacture of the new cell might he^roceeded with as quickly as possible .
Mr. Edison declared that he was now satisfied with the new cell.
On August 13th, 1909, Mr. Edison wrote that he would he in a position in a few weeks to Bend all particulars for making the machines necessary for manufacturing the nww cell. He stated further that, at that time, he was turning out and selling eighty cells daily, and that in a further six weeks the number of oells would he Increased to 260. Mr. Edison further remarked that he had approached Mr. Pierpont Morgan with a view to his withdrawal from the English Company, and that Mr. Morgan would not consent to withdraw. The same applied to the French Company. Mr.
Edleon further said that Mr . Sergmann would probably receive a large amount of work In connection with the English and Trench faotoriee . Mr. Edison also wrote that the Italian Navy had pur¬ chased a battery of standard size for experimental purposee, with a view to using large cellB for submarine boats, according to the
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On December 17th, 1909, Mr. Bergmann replied that he would be very pleaeed to receive orderB for making the tools and maohln ea for the English and French Factories. He enquired at the came time at what price Mr. Edison could supply nickel flakes.
On Sep tester 27th, 1909, Mr. Edison Informed she German Company officially that the Edison Storage£?attery Company had commenced manufacturing the new cell type A on July 1st, 1909, and that, in consequence, the original agreement of September 28th, 1905, would oome into force again on January 1st, 1910.
This meant that Mr. Edison required that from January 1st 1910 the Germany Company
1. Should manufaoturejstorage batteries only;
2. Should pay the royalty stipulated In the Agreement.
Ab a result of Mr. Edison's attitude in this question, it is self-evident that he wished the German Company by all means to take up the manufacture of the new cell at the earliest possible moment, without, however, taking into account that considerable time was required in Germany to make all the necessary tools and machines.
^ On September 30th, 1909, Bdison wrote that he was pre¬
paring all the necesBary particulars and drawings, etc. for the manufacture of complete factory equipments for England and Erance. Mr. Edison wrote that, as soon as these particulars were)ready, he would submit the plans to Mr. Plerpont Morgan. He again repeated that probably Mr. Bergmann would have to build the larger part of the machines necessary:
Mr. Bdison further stated that his factory terned out 100 cells per day, but that in the naast few days he would be making 200 oells par day, and that he was preparing suffbient machines in order to manufacture 800 cells daily. He further wrote in detail that the amortisation of his cell would be lose than that of lead batteries during the course of years . With reference to the manufacturing cost of type A 4, Mr. Bdison was
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o f the opinion that this would he cheaper to manufacture than type I ie, and that, In addition, a ouhetantlal reduction of the manufacturing coet would he possible. Mr. Edison finally eald that Mr. Bergraain might possibly think that he, Mr. Edison, might he too sanguine In regard to the future of the battery, hut that he would refer him to previous experience In this respect, whldi went to show that muoh better results had been obtained from his Inventions than he himself had expected.
Mr. Bergmann replied on December 18th, 1909, that two weeks before the General Meeting of the Edison Company had taken place, and that on this occasion the Deutsche Bank and also the other parties interested commenced to become Impatient and demanded positive particulars and information. Mr. Bergmann stated that, In view of the favourable information contained in Mr. Edison's letter of September SOth, he had been able to instill courage into the Shareholders. H« further wrote that he would be glad to receive the orders for the Prench and English factories, and, In connection therewith, again requested that particulars in the form of drawings for making the filling machines and for the new flakes apparatus, etc., should be sent him, and, further , asked for several cells A 4 and A 6.
It is evident from the above letter that,! although Edison had again put the original contract into force from January 1st, 1910, he had, nevertheless, not even given the Oerman Company sufficient Information to enable them to proceed with the tools and machines only.
On November 5th, 1909, Mr. Bergmann eent a translation of an article by Dreyer in the "llektroteohni echo Zeltsohrift" regarding an electric locomotive with Edison batteries . Mr. Bergmann pointed out that the Oeraa Company were occupied with the design of a cell of larger dimensions, and at the same time confirmed the receipt of Mr. Edison* e telegram, In whife he stated
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that he would Bend drawings and tube oells in the course of the week. Mr. Bergmann further stated that It was Of vital Importance for the Oermen Company to commence makine the new "battery, as with die old battery the Company could neither live nor die.
In January 1910 (no date), Mr. Edison wrote Mr. Bergmann privately that Rogers, who had in the meantime (beginning of January) come to Germany, was not in a position to run a large factory. Rogers, however, had all the necessary experience with regard to the battery, end would be of great value in bringing out the new cell on a commercial basis In Germany. Mr. Edison further stated that Mr. Bergmann could be cdnvinoed that the new cell would be a great success.
On January 24th, 1910, the Deutsche EdiBon-Akkumulat.oren- Company wrote to the Edison Storage battery Company in confirma¬ tion of the telegram of January 11th, that Rogers had brought blue prints for tools and machinee with him, but no new cells, however. it wae pointed out that we rauBt havejkt least six cells, in order to make tests, and the Edison 8torage Battery Company ® was requested to send further 70 cells A 6 for testing in an elec-
tromobile. further, the German Company requested that 25 lbs. of nickel flakes be sent for experimental puiposes.
On March 24th, 1910, Mr. Edison waB asked to say whether he intended to start manufacturing in England during the year 1910, and Mr, Bergmann expressed the hope that Mr. Edison would then give him the orders for the neoeesary machines, as he had repeatedly premised.
Mr. Edison wrote on May 6th, to Mr. Bergmmn that he could not see the possibility of sparing any nickel flakes for Germany, and that he had to work night and day in order to make sufficient flakes for himself, and In order to send flakes to
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Oermany he would have to reduoe hie own output In celle. 'Edison etated In addition that the apparatus for manufacturing the flakeB wae very cheap and easily made, and that Rogers oould give all the neoeesary partloulare. Willi regard to the English faotory, Mr. Edison wrote that the expert had Bent in his report, and that in all pr oh ability something further would he heard concerning thlB matter in a few weeks.
On May 29th, 1910, Mr. Edison wrote that the Railroad Companies in America were interested in locomotives equipped with Edison hatter lee. Mr. Edison further Btated that, in order to reduce the time for charging and discharging, tubes of l/fi" diameter, would he used, the present type, having such of l/4" diameter. According to his remarks, Mr. Edison appeared to attach great importance to the business with the Railroad companies, 811 also appeared to regard the cells with the thinner tubes as an impor¬ tant feature.
On June 21 et, 1910, Mr. Edison again wrote to Mr. Berg- mann that he could not Bend any flakes to Germany, and that the flakee could he made more cheaply here than in America. Mr.
Edison etated that the manufacturing cost for flakes used in an A 4 cell amounts to 60 c., hut that he would reduce the cost in time to 50 c.
On July 12th, 1910, Mr. Bergnamn replied that he waB very glad to hear of the cell with thinner tuheB, especially as the competition with the lead batteries was made so difficult because, on account of the time taken in charging and discharging with the older type of cells, these had to he taken much larger than was necessary. Mr. Bergi|ann asked for the necessary par¬ ticulars In order to he able to proceed with the manufacture of the thin tube in Germany as fast as possible. In oonneetlon herewith, Mr. Kamnerhoff wrote a report, dated July 7th, to Mr. Bergmann, in whi* he polntsjout that the Information reoslved
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from Mr. Ed loon with regard to the thin tube cells was of great importance, ae, by shortening the time required for charging and discharging, It would he possible with the tube cell to do busi¬ ness on a healthy basis.
On July 21st, 1910, Mr. Edison wrote that the thin tubes of l/e" diameter are only to be used for cell s In railroad cars, and eUbmarlne boats, and that the present t*pe, with l/4" diameter tubes, are to be adhered to for all the other cells, and that he was unable to send any information with regard to the thin tubes, as those existing had only been made by hand.
On July 12th, 1910, Mr. Bergmann informed Mr. Edison that he was Tory glad to hear such good news with regard to the new battery, but that hlB duty towards the shareholders would com¬ pel him to convince himself how matters actually stood. He re¬ marked that, without further information. It would be Impossible to expect the Shareholders to pay up the remainder of the capi¬ tal, and that, for this reason, he had decided to send Mr . Kammer- hoff to America , In order to make the necessary Investigations. Mr. Bergmann further^tated that the Shareholders were beginning to get very disagreeable, and spoke of taking action igalnst him , as falsejstateraentB had been made to them vhen the German Company was founded.
Mr. Kanmerhoff 1 s investigations in America in August 1910 showed that the manufacture of the tube cell with thin tubes was not to be thought of. In a report to Mr. Edison, dated August 31et , 1910,, Mr. Kammerhoff place* on record that the manu¬ facture of cell* with thick tube* was being proeeded with without a hlteh, but that, in order to work with a profit in America, the dally turnover would flret have to be raised to about BOO celle type A, while at that time the turnover actually amounted to 200 celle type A per day.
In this report Mr. Edleon wae requested to extend the
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rights of the Qerraan Company, in order that Mr. Bergmann might he in a position to show the Shareholders something tangible, in order to Induce them to subscribe further capital.
It is also recorded in thiB letter that Mr. Edison wub prepared to supply nlckBl flakeB, nickel hydrate, and iron mix, also lithium, at fixed prices.
In the different interviews, Mr. Edison still maintained his derand that the German Company should manufacture the new cells as quickly as possible, and also make the nickel flakes themselves. Mr. Edison also advocated the manufacturer lithium in Germany. He declined absolutely to extend the rightB of the German Company, and wrote a short note to Mr. Kammerhoff , in which he advised Mr. Bergqiann to bear the cost of carrying on the busi¬ ness of the German Company himself.
After Mr. Bergmann had, both by letter and verbally, received reports upon the exact poBitlbn of the business in America at that time, he wrote to Mr. Edison on Septenber 15th, 1910, that he felt extremely disappointed, as it was evident that considerable time and large sums of money would be required before a final commercial success could be expeoted from the battery business.
Mr. Bergmann drew Mr. Edlsorfs attention to the fact that he would never for one moment have entertained the idea of taking up the battery, had he possibly been able to foresee that Buoh diffi¬ culties would arise, and that Buoh vital alterations would have to be rade. It was mentioned, further, in the letter that the (Shareholders and more especially the Deutsche Bank had, after waiting five years, lOBt all confidence , but, nevertheless, Mr. Bergmann stated that, having regard to both hie own and Mr.
Edison's name and reputation, ho oould not let the business drop, further, that it was absolutely out of the question that Mr. Bergmann should entertain Mr. Edison's suggestion and put more of hie own money into the undertaking, but, on the other hand, in
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order to wold further ode of capital, Mr. Edison *ould Bend the neoeeeary mater lalB, In the form of nickel flakee and positive plates, to Germany. Plates euffiolent for twenty batteries of 72 cells, type A 6, were required at onoe, which were to he taken Into eeryloe at the end of the year 1910.
On September 2lBt, 1910, the German Company wrote to Mr. Edison with regard to the small oell made In America type B 4, of 76 ampere hours capacity, and Mr. Edison wae requested to send as qulokly as possible drawings, and other particulars, In order to enable the manufacture of this apparently favourable small type of cell to be taken up In Germany. Mr. Edison was further requested to send the positive plates for 200 - 300 cells B 4, in order that the cells might be assembled in Germany.
On septeriber 28th, 1910, Mr. Edison telegraphed that he would send one thousand positive plates for a cells pare week, Be¬ ginning on October 10th, 1910, and also that he would send nickel flakes and nickel hydrate . This telegram was followed up by a further one, on October 16th, 1910, in which Mr. Edison stated © that he was unable to send any plates before the end of October.
The German Company confirmed these telegrams in a letter t» Mr. Edison dated October 31st, 1910, and special attention was drawn to the fact that both the plates, sb well as the nickel flakes and nickel hydrate were urgently required, as otherwise it was impossible to proceed. It was further pointed out that Mr. Edison had already been requested. On September 21et, 1910, to send drawings for the small B 4 and B 2 types, and also positive plates for 200 - 300 cells B 4.
In a letter dated Beeember 1st , 1910, Mr. Bergmann in¬ formed Mr. Edison that the preparations for manufacturing the new cell were being proceeded with at full speed in Germany, and that eight filling machines for tube boxes were being made. Mr. Bergifsnn furthe^stated that the Italian Havy had sent in enquiries
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for large cellB for submarine 'boats, and that we were to make several cells In Oermany of about 8000 ampere hours capacity for Italy. Enclosed in the letter was a report of the last Board Meeting Of the German Company.
On Deoemher 15th, 1910, Mr. Bergmann wrote to Mr.
Edison, stating that, as the tools for the new cell A 4 and A 6 were almost ready, and aB the work on the eight filling machines would alBO be completed shortly, Rogers’ assistance was no longer required, and that he would, ir. consequence, return to America.
On December 19th, 1910, Mr. Bergmann informed Mr.
Edison that Mr. Kammerhoff had resigned, and that he (Mr. Bergmann) felt himself compelled to seriously consider liquidating, in view of the hopeless condition of the business, unless further consid¬ erable sums were invested. Mr. Edison was ashed whether he would make any proposition with a view to taking over the tools and machines, to be used, possibly, for a factory in England.
This letter was despatched on January 9th, 1911.
On January ?lst, Mr. Edison replied that he had not yet started manufacturing in Europe, as he had no time to occupy himself sufficiently with the matter. Mr. Edison advised Mr. ^ergmann not to liquidate, but to stop manufacturing and sell the factory building and ground, that is, to turn everything to money and to invest the remaining capital at suitable interest, and to solely concentrate his efforts on the oale of batteries, which Mr. Edison would supply from America. Mr. Edison expressed the opinion that he could supply from America Just as cheaply as could be manufactured in Oermany, and, as a matter of fact, that it is a mistake to assume that the batteries can be produced at a cheaper rate in Oermany than in America. Mr. Edison said he had received large^rdere, and was 10,000 oells behindhand. With reference to the question of taking over some of the toolB, Mr. Edison stated that he would discuss this matter with Rogers.
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In the meantime, the Italian Navy had ordered two sub¬ marine boat cells of 4500 ampere hours capacity. In order to ensure that no mi stale should be made with regard to the tubes, a telegram was sent to Mr. Edison on January 24th, 1911, to send 15,000 tubes to Germany.
This telegram was confirmed on January 25th, and Mr. Edison again requested to despatch the positive plateB for 200 - 300 small B 4 cells, which had already been ordered on September 21st, 1910.
On January 28th, 1911, Mr. Edison telegraphed that he vould despatoh 15,000 tubes on February 4th.
On March 7th, 1911, Mr. Bergmann wrote to Mr. Edison, stating that he was surprised at Mr. Edison's letter of January 21st, In which the latter advised him to Stop manufacturing In Europe. Mr. Bergmann remarked that the possibility of selling cells in Europe that had been made in America depended upon the price which Mr. Edison would demand, and, also, the ddtss of delivery he could give. Mr. Bergmann enquired at what prices Mr. Edison would supply the tubes if Mr . Bergmann were to give him an order for 2,000,000 of these. Mr. Bergmann again approach¬ ed Mr. Edison, asking him to make an offer to take over the tools and machines, in order to enable Mr. Bergmann to disouBsIthe necessary steps to be taken with the Deutsche Bank and the other Shareholders. Mr. Bergmann remarked that he considered Mr. Edison' s proposal a favourable one, in which he suggested that the cells sold in Germany Bhould be made In America.
In the meantime, Mr. Doty came from America to Germany, and aeted Mr. Bergmann whether he would care for him to try and obtain financial people In America, who would be Interacted, in order that the business in Oermaiy might be continued. Mr . Bergmann disclosed his vlewe on this sub J sot in a letter to Mr. Edison dated March 23rd, 1911. This letter reoorded that Mr.
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Bergmann expected to receive an acceptable propoBal from Mr.
Edison, ae otherwise he would be compelled to close down the factory. Mr. Bergmann again pointed out that it was solely on account of Mr. Edison* s and his Own reputation that he had kept the factory running, and that, if It had not bean for this consid¬ eration, he would have given up the battery business lone ago.
In a letter dated varch 24th, 1911, Mr. Edison wrote that, after due consideration, he could not take over the tools and machines. The situation in America was at the time so favourable, he still having orders for 12,000 cells unexecuted, that it would be best if Mr. Bergmann were to send Mr. Klein to the factory in Orange, in order that he might personally convince himself of the favourable position of affairs. Mr, Edison further remarked that his Opinion with regard to the future of the battery had not altered in the least.
WUh reference to Mr. Bergnann' s enquiry with regard to the prices of tvibes, Mr. Edison rttfLied that he could Bupply same for * 43.20 per 1000, in which price, apart from the depreciation of tools, he had only included 12^ profit, but, on the other hand, nothing for establishment charges. This quotation, however, re¬ presents, aB compared to the invoices received up to the present, an increase in price of about 50^. While Mr. Edison formerly charged 2.9 o. per tube when 15,000 of these were^upplied , he now demands 4.3 c. each, and remarks that, in the latter price, the royalty is Included. As all the german quotations had been based on a price of 2.9 c. per tube, this offer was of no use to the German Company.
Ae no replies were reoeived to the last letters within the next four weeks, Mr. Bergmann teiegrajhed on April 24th, 1911, to Mr. Ed 1 eon, and enquired when Mr. Edison had replied to hie (Mr. Bergmann* e) letter of March 23bd 1911. Mr. Bergmann cabled that he must shut down the factory, as Mr. EdiBon, in accordance
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with hi8 letter of Maroh 24th, had raleed the price of tubes hy 5<$. Mr. Bergmain further wired that, at a price of 2-J- c. per tube, he might try to keep the business going a little longer.
In reply, a cable was recoived from Mr. Edison on April 25th, stating that the price quoted for tubeB was the lowest Mr. Edison could give, as It Included little or no profit.
Erom the last letter and exchange of telegrams results that Mr. Edison at the present time Insists on an Increase of the price for tubes. This renders It Impossible to maintain the quotation to the Italian navy for complete batterieB for submarine boats. If Mr. Edison also Increases the prices for oomplete positive plates for the type A In the Bame proportion, the result would be that In Germany the same prices would have to be asked for electromobile cells as in America. Eor a battery of 72 cells A 6, such as would be used In a two ton truck, the gross price would then be M. 6048 as compared to a gross price of M. 2000 - for a lead battery.
Experience up to the present has shown that It is hope¬ less to offer electromobile batterieB at such prices, and the only question still open is whether batteries for submarine boats would be purchased at such increased rates.
A quotation based on Mr. Edison's latest price of 4.3 c. per tube was submitted a few days ago to the German Nacy, and future negociatlons will show the attitude the Authorities will adopt with regard to the offer In question.
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"Bergmann made failure my storage battery, ma*e large investment, wants to give up, would not take my advice, has no conception of its value for the future. Wish you would cable your agent here make investigation of works and business here. Have thousand men, way behind orders, prospects for a business twenty million dollars year. Have made great improvements, it's an epoch making device, performs functions impossible with Lead batteries. Believe your Company should absorb the German Co. Please answer if you will investigate. *
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Through an accidental inquiry made of myself a day two ago, I have learned that Mr. Bergmann will reach the age of 60 on June 9th and, while you probably know it, I take the liberty of send¬ ing you this reminder as no doubt S.B. would be greatly pleased to re- oeive a letter or oablegram from you on the oooasion.
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My dear Edison,
I duly received your cable of the 1st ihst., readlng:-
"Bergmann. Trying to find purchaser who will Buy your German "Como anv I have approached Rathenau, Siemens and Morgan «5im“7 You will make the most gigantic Blunter on record "if you sellout, recent events prove Battery opens up new "and enormous field and Is certain Be an ep°ch in to®
"electric Business . Will write result rf negotiates.
This telegram does not, of course, help me out of the fix here, and it is not an answer to my letter of May 11th. As I have written you Before, if you do not take immediate and positive steps to help us out of this trouble, it will end very soon in a very Big scandal, and I know that neither you nor I can afford to Be dragged into a lot of lawsuits Brought By stockholders.
I note you say in your cablegram that you have approached Rathenau and Siemens; you are no doubt aware that Siemens and
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Thomas A. Edison Esq., Orange.
Rathenau om the Tudor lead battery and are , In fact, practically the owners of the Tudor Company, and that, further, they havqbeen the ■Biggest opponents of your battery in Europe. These are the very people who have, from the start, all along prophesied this commercial disaster and ridiculed your battery'.
I now await a positive reply from you, one way or the other, and remain,
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CABLEGRAM
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. Berlin June 10-1911
Orange lW. M 13
Bid members of- the staff of the bergmann works assembled to slebrate the sixtieth birthday of their respected chief send thier heartiest greetings to the nestor of. electricity
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Berlin June 14-11 Edison ,
Orange NJ. "
Referring your cablegram ninth have nothing to say any more
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Bear Sir:-
Rsfsrring to the writer's visit of the 87th ult., heg to say that m hmrs just received a short oable in answer to our report of your proposition as outlined to the writer, to the effeot that we are willing to consider suoh a preposition, our final deoision depending on de¬ tails and future negotiations.
Besides giving us the above information, the cable contained the following addition: «J>ur- 1, ohae Bergaann excluded". We do not know exact¬ ly how to teke thle stateasnt, and before being able to explain sane to you, we will have to malt written oonf ln»tlon, *»1<* ws understand has already been mailed to us.
Vs t« you to tabs this os»sanioatisa sim¬ ply as prellaiaary information te Ike offset that
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our firm Is favorably inolined to take up the Manu¬ facture of your naw call, Aa aoon aawa have ra¬ ce lvad the detailed information the writer will taka the pleasure of earning to Orange and visit you la order to diaouaa the Matter further with you. In
ALLGEMEINE ELEKTRICITATS-GESELLSCHAFT
Hy dear Edison;-
I have placed your favor of the 27th. ult. before our friends , and now learn from them that you are also negotiating with Messrs, siemens Schuclcert through their representatives in your city .
Our friends are obtaining from someone in oloee touch with you > more detailed information in regard to your invention and its present actual position, and by making tests of your batter¬ ies and cells, will form for themselves an opinion as to the merits of same. They will then communicate with you in regard to the result.
With kind regards ,
Believe me.
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your daughter are on th.1T "W^urop. .IB. B» ^“XAff “&-» Victoria", and am very pi. aseji ihde ed to heai} thegood nbwB^^IJia^ written her that, If I can he of 'any’asflstanoe to her, * ““ entire: at her disposal, and I hope we sh^aitwhir ln^Oermeny before lone^ even If only for a short time. ,
Are you perhaps comine over tater on? it so, when? I should he very glad, if oOme to Hamburg or Bremen, to meet you there If possible. I am sure a good holiday In Xurepe, end an automobile tour through Trance, Swltaerland, and Germany, would do you pllea of good. I can arrange for motorcars for you over here.
have, . - iZ* entirely/
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BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Hoping to he able to greet you iti Oermahy
Thomas A. *4 la cm Se*.,
Orange.
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Orange.
New Jersey, U.S.A.
Bear Sir,
I ara in receipt of your favour of the 12th Inst., addressed to Mr. Kammerhoff , and in connection therewith heg to remark as follows :-
In the general statement sent you we had inserted for special machines, tools, chemical plant, and special plant, the sum of $ 11.1,952.00, this sum including the new -building for the chemical plant. Your people are willing to pay 3 100, 000. oo for the plant without the building for the chemical plant, the latter costing * IS, 23a Beducting the cost of the building from 3 114, 952. oo leaves * 99,714. oo, which sum is nearly equal to the 3 I00.000.oo which you are prepared to pay. in this way, however, we should get absolutely nothine for the business Itself, and I think, therefore, that you should increase the sum to at least $ 120, 000. oo. It should furthermore be taken into
consideration that the whole plant for nickel-plating, consisting in addition to the usual accessories of four machine baths and seven eta- tionary baths, is not shONvn in our statement at all, but would never¬ theless be included and handed over to you for the sum of 8 120,000. oo. The value of the nickel-plating plant and the above-mentioned baths is
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Mr. A. Doty, Orange.
about ft 14, 000. oo.
In addition to the items there are the following:
1. ) Land .
2. ) Building .
3. ) Factory equipment .
4. ) Office Equipment .
mentioned In the general statement,
$ 169,8l0.oo $ 109,048.oo ft 14,095.oo 3 l,381.oo
5.) Raw material .
a) for new type cell:
sheet iron for grids and
tubes . . S 500. oo
hard rubber parts . 8 1714. oo
flakes, 150 lbs . ft 303. oo
hydrate, about 1200 lbs. .. ft 87iuoo'
lythium hydrate . . . ft 1429. oo ft 4, 917.00
b) for old type cell:
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7.)
sheet iron & hard rubber
half-finished parts of
old type cell . * 24167,
old type cells ready . > 8736_.
Standard machines, such as lathes, presses, eto., inclu¬ ding steam engines and boiler plant .
Items as per general statement .... .
ft 58.548.oo
ft 43,452.00 ft 114.952.oo
ft 516,203 . i
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Mr. A. Doty, Orange.
If, therefore, you take over the whole of the business, as shown in the above statement, you will have to pay $ 516, 803. oo, hut we, on the other hand, should rece lve no compensation whatsoever for the trouble and work of building up the business during the laBt six yearB. I would further point out, as mentioned in the letter of the .Edison Co. of the 16th of )■' >.y, that there is a mortgage of $ 142. 860. oo on the land upon which the factory is built.
As you aret well aware, we have spent about 3 750, 000. oo on the business, of which amount at least $ 275,000. oo has been lost through continual alterations in construction of the cells, experiments
With regard to the general prospects of the business at the present time, I beg to remark as follows:—
Owing to the fact that we entered into negociations with the Ital¬ ian Navy and supplied two trial cells which, after being sub, looted to a series of tests for several months, proved to be satisfactory, in every respeot, the interest in the Edison accumulator has increased to a very great extent. Prom Information we have received, It would appear that the Italian Naval Authorities in Sjezia have recommended to She Naval Department in Rome that Edieon cells should be used in the two submarine boats which are now being built.
Yte have, W the meantime, supplied two further cellB, each having a capacity of 4350 amp. -hours, to the French Navy, and these
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are being tested at. the present moment.
The merits of the Edison cell were explained to the German Naval Authorities hy means of a personal interview in Kiel, and, as a result of the discussion, their views on the BUbjeot were entirely changed. The Authorities in Kiel have submitted an application to the Naval Department that Bums should he granted, in order to enable them, in the first instance, to order several cells for testing purposes, and they propose further to alter the design of the new boatB in such a manner that the Edison cells can be installed therein.
The Dutch Government also sent one of their Engineers to us, and have further asked for a quotation for cells for submarine boats.
A representative of the Russian Navy called upon us, and received full information and details v/ith regard t.o the cells.
As you can see from the above brief summary, the business in large cellB for submarine boats is now assuming definite shape, and it is to be expected that the Italian, Drench, and German Navies will very shortly plaooorders for complete batteries.
The price of a storage battery of this nature would amount to at least $ 200,GG0.oo. The Drench Navy have at the present time about sixty submarine boats, the Italian Navy ahou! twenty, and the German Navy about five. All NavieB are doing their utmost to develdp and increase the number of submarine boats, and it can safely be said that, aflter the first order for a battery for a submarine for one of the
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Mr. A. Doty, Orange.
European Navies has been placed, other orders will follow, amounting to millions. In fact, the development of this particular business Is not to he gauged.
In addition to the above-mentioned large cells, our clients have also shown, during the last few months, great interest for the standard small oellB. AmongBt others, we rereived yesterday an order for 500C colls, having a capacity of P. Amp. -hours for mining lamps, further, within a few weeks, we have received orders for forty batteries for wireless telegraphy.
It may appear strange, in view of the favourable prospects of the business, that I should bo Inclined to 3t,op work on the Edison cell, but I would ask you to take into consideration that I havesuf- fe red bo many d i s.ipp o in traen t s and such continual worry and annoyance during the laBt six years that I am completely discouraged and tired of the whole business.
Furthermore, our capital is exhausted, and, finally, the other two principle shareholders, with the Deutsche Dank at the head, are so disappointed at the length of time they have had to wait that they have declined to put any more capital in to exploit the Edison battery.
Unfortunately, Mr. Edison sent ue a few days ago a cablegram In whloh he positively prohibits our continuing our negooiatlOns with Italy and other European Navies, apart from Germany and Austria. This
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V.r . A. Doty, Orange.
step la of oourae of moat vital importance for me, and 1 am utterly at a loaa to underBtand how .Edison can have come to such a decision.
The proposition contained In this letter la, of course, subject to the consent of Edison and of the Executive Committee of the German Edison Co. that you and your friends should take over the business. X have, however, no doubt whatever that the Executive Committee will agree to the Bale of the business being effected in the form suggested by me, as, up to the present, any measures I may have adopted have always had its approval*
Kindly lot me hoar at the earliest possible moment what you think of my present proposal, and 1 sincerely trust that we shall bo able to come to an arrangement, so that the parties interested can take over the German Edison p.at.tery Co. on terms which will be accep¬ table to me, and thus continue the business, the prospects of which are so favourable.
Yours very truly,
Charles L. Ehoar t
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I happened to he in
Berlin about thtfW "fcSS^ &go when
you cabled Mr. Rathenau about your German battery situation. As you may remember. I have always been extremely intimate with the Tudor Battery people. Mr. Mttller and Mr. Roderbourg being two of ny warmest friends. Mr. Rathenau is a director in their Company and I understand that there is some general arrangement by which the Allegemeine Company and the Siemens-Schuckert Company turn over all their storage battery interests to the Tudor Company.
Knowing my relations with you. Mr. Muller immediately told me how he felt about the German situation and said that he had no objection to my telling you how he felt if it would be of any interest to you. Their general feeling is that they would like to control your battery if it is what you think it is. They are naturally skeptical, always having been interested on the other side, but I think they are surely open to conviction if approached in the proper way.
I do not know whether or not this interests you but if it does I should be glad to tell you the whole story at any time
Thomas A. Edif
Esq. , 2.
July 13, 1911.
which would suit your convenience. 1 feel under very great per¬ sonal obligations to Kr. lluller and his friends for their many courtesies shown me in Germany and anything I can do to get them into pleasant relations \7ith you will he a great satisfaction to me. As I go over to Hew York every week or two, X could run out to see you at almost any time which you might name.
Yours very truly.
When I had the pleasure of seeing you at Prag, you were so kind as to promise to give me some information regarding your storage battery for motor cars. - *
Will you kindly arrange that some catalo¬ gues and other printed matter be sent to me , eventually a sample cell be sent and adressed to my company, as I have considerable Interest of making some arrangements regarding the sel¬ ling of these batteries in Austria. -
To your information I may mention that my company is now working with a fully paid in
share capital o f 6 millions Kronen, equal to 1,200.000 DollarB and has extended connections throughout Austria-Hungary. -
It would $1bo interest me to learn, wether we could obtain the exclusive right of selling your batteries for Austria-Hungary. I may add, that a company working from Berlin could n6t do any bussiness at all in our country, owtog to the great national contrast existing. -
I hope that you arrived safely and in perfect health at Orange. -
With kind regards believe me, dear Mr. iidison,
very sincerely yours
My dear Idison
I hope that you and your good family h*ro liad a pleasant trip aoroBB and reached home in good health and Bpirit.
It iB with great pleaBure, indeed, that 1 reoall your Tieit. It was really one of the finest treats 1 hare had in my life and will always mean pleasant recollections. I only hope that you will re¬ peat your trips to the "did World* more often.
The Booh on the "Beach Car" I Will eend to Jlr. Rathenau to-day, with a few lines and ask him to kindly turn this matter ower to someone who is not opposed to the Bdison Battery and report to you direct.
The Deuteohe Idison Oesellsohaft, hare sent a substantial remittance to your company for hills due and hare also forwarded another order, according to our understanding, for 4000 more plates.
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BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Thomas A. Bdison. Saq.
P/29/11.
Please see that theae are executed promptly, ao that we can keep things moYiRg here. I should he much obliged if yourcompany would let us know immediately, when these plates hare been shipped, as it is most important for us, in order not to get into extreme dif¬ ficulties.
Also please advise me what, you can d0 regarding prices, how much cheaper the plates and tubes will be, when you deduct the general expense, as we talked, when you were here.
Thanking you for an early reply, I am, with very
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Thomas A. Edison, Esq. ,
Llewellyn Park, Orange, H.J. , U.S.A.
My dear Edison:
I have asked Mr. P. H. Klein Jr. to endeavor to see you on hoard the S.S. •Aaerika" immediately on her arrival in Hew York Bay, concerning certain articles published in the Hew York World, alleged to have been based on statements mads by you, criti¬ cising and ridiculing German industrial enterprises and business methods most sharply. All the German newspapers are up in arms about these statements and there is, throughout Germany, a great deal of agitation and oonsternation on that account.
I would appreciate it vexy much, therefore, if you should authorize Klein to cable a denial of these statements to me, so that I oan pacify the people here, who are looking at this matter very tragioally. I am oonvinoed that these publications are merely signs of animosity on the part, of the individual repor-
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BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Thomas A. Edison, Esq.
10/ 5/11.
ter of the "Hew York World* and have no foundation, so far as you are concerned.
In order to calm the people over here, it was neoessary for me to issue a statement, saying that you could not possibly have made such remarks and that, considering the short time you spent in Germany, you would not he in a very good position to thoroughly and finally pass a verdict upon the conditions here.
I also requested that the entire affair he considered less tragic, the same as is done over in the States. I was compelled to do this, in order to protect our interests in general, especially the Deutsche Edison Gesellschaft,, and for your own sake am ex¬ pecting a denial of the publications made in the "World", which I am convinced are not in accordance with the actual facts.
With best wishes,
Yourd very sincerely,
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l y ToutBoho "diBon-Akkumulrtoron Company, O.ra.b.H., 1 Drouth elmorDtroano 06/38 Berlin, I!. Qcrmrny.
aentlcmen:
P.eralt fonoe of *4-,ono nr.nounofld in yours of tho 28th ult., gratefully ackrowlodgod. Thin , together with the expenditures Of $1®00 (Auto Hire) nnd ?140.6O (1'ronaco) reduces your Indebtedness to §6, 620, 68. Plor.uo remember to Qonc. ub your bills for thcoo two items so soon bb possible thi.t wo mey properly credit than to your aocount.
Mr. Saloon hna oonBonted to fill your present order for 4,000 pooitivo plnton at tho old price of 90? each, with . tho undorstunding, however, th<-t thin is to bo tho lent Bhipmont of pletoB, Hereafter, only tntoet? end pockets ore to be supplied, nnd et the pricos of $3»972 j>ve£ 100 end $1,160 por 100, reenootlvoly, communicated to Mr. Bergeron in onro of tho 12th intrt. The extroacly oloee price a? do by Mr. Mdlnon on tho pockets will oonvinoo you of tho impossibility of our continuing to supply you with platoe at the 90o figure.
We can chip 2000 of these plates by Ttovfmbor lot and tho remaining 2000 by tho latte pert of th/t month. If this In agreeable please ifivi bo at the earliest possible moment, nnd obligo
Very truly your liBIMPir STOHMT
BAT THY COtfWATfY,
Off ioe Manager.
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My dear Edison: -
I have just cabled you as follows s-
"Telegraph how many plates shipped what steamer I have sent check"
which I herewith beg to confirm.
As I told ,you in my letter of the 29th of September the Deutsche Edison Co. sent you a substantial payment on that day and placed an order for 4000 plates, type A. I have also paid your auto bill, amounting to about $1100. — , and a bill if or dresses for Mrs. Edison for about 680 frcs., bo that our account has recei-red a substantial credit.
In order to keep things moving here, it is of the greatest importance that the type A plates be sent us as quickly as possible, and I would ask your kind assistance towards this end, as otherwise we shall be in a very bad fix. You will recollect my telling you that I am now personally responsible for the payments of the Edison Co. here
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ThomaB A. Edison Esq.
XO/16/11.
and appreciate the gravity of the situation.
The hook you left with me, on the Beach car, I Bent to Mr. Bathenau and he has promised to turn it over to one of his engineers who is familiar with the battery business. I am afraid though, that he will turn this matter over to the Hagen people and then, of course, there will be no tangible result. This only emphasises the importance that our orders must receive prompt attention, bo that we can make a good showing.
In my letter of Spptember 29th, I also asked that you notify me when the above plates, type -A- will be shipped and am now awaiting your reply to my cablegram of to-day requesting the same information.
^ ie also have orders on hand for B 4 cells and as we have
no tools for this size of cell here, I am enclosing herewith our re¬ quisition for 10a cells, type B_J, and I trust you will gire instruc¬ tions that these be shipped as quickly as at all possible. In fixing a price for these B 4 cells, we kould ask you to kindly take into consideration that we will supply the lithium and electrolyte and also form the cells ourselves.
Awaiting, with interest, your news concerning the above
Mr. Thomas A. Edison,
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My dear Edison?
I have received your wireless message .explaining what you hare said regarding the German industries and business integrity.
I have given this to the press here and things have quieted down here, the explanation being perfectly satisfactory. I really had quite> a hard time trying to pacify the people over here, as they considered the artiole first printed a great insult for the German commercial world, but everything is o. k. now. It seems to me that Mr. Valentine tried to be a little too smart and issued statements against Germany at your expense .
I have sent Ur. Rathenau and Geheimrat von Siemens a photograph in your name and they will no doubt thank you for same direct. If, by mistake, anyone should send you any bill for photo-
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Mr. Thomas A,
graphs, etc. please send
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10/17/11.
, taken during your stay over here, I would ask you to eame to me, so that the hills will not he paid twice.
I hope that you have derived a lot of good out of your ■old World" and with hast regards to Mrs. Edison and your-
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1 have received a letter from your Office Manager dated October 12th, giving ue new prices for hatteriee as follows?
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This is, of course, somewhat lower than the former rates, but even with these reduced charges we cannot see our way clear to sell the batteries and make expenses. Is it not possible for you to let us have these tubes for 3 cents each, until your new battery iB placed
on the market?
Your price for iron pockets is entirely too high and we can produce them much cheaper here, and besides, we still have a lot of material on hand, which we must use for this purpose.
However, there is another way to help us out, if you should find it impossible to furnish us the tubing at 3 cts. each,
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BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Mr. Thomas A. Edison.
10/24/11.
i.e. make us your lowest, possible price for crushed nickel hydrate and nickel flakes, in order that we can fill the tubes ourselveB.
We have twelve tube-filling machines ready and alBO a machine for rolling the tubes, so that it would not take us very long to fill the tubes ourselves.
1 know perfectly well, that you are not making any money- no matter what prioe you quote ub, but you will appreciate that we will have to main age somehow to linger along until your new, small tube battery appears on the market. I should be much obliged, therer fore, if you would please let me have, by return of mail, price for 1000 lbs. of nickel hydrate and the necessary nickel flakes for this quantity, and also adviBe me whether you will be able to fur¬ nish us the tube complete at 3 cents each.
As I have already written you, I turned the "Beach" car literature over to Mr. Rathenau and he has now requested us to give him particulars, concerning three different sizes of batteries. We have given him prices which do not include any profit whatsoever for us and only just about cover our general expenses. I an very much afraid, though, that Mr. Rathenau* s automobile company have a con¬ tract with the Tudor Co. and that this inquiry 1b merely a matter of form. They will probably reply that the prioe is too high, at any rate, I am eagerly awaiting their news in this matter.
Also kindly arrange for the new cells to be sent us, at once as promised, with small tubes, having l/B" diameter.
Thanking you in anticipation fbr your favorable consideration of the above -flours sincerely.
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Vy dear Hdison!
As I have written you in ny letter of yesterday's date, I am very much astonished that the details of the manufacture of your hattery has been given to the public at large in the magazine entit¬ led "The Auerioan Machinist" and would ask you to kindly let me know whether this has been done with your consent.
I beg to point out to you that your patent rights in Surope are very meagre and 1 always believed that it was understood betweenyou and pie. that even if the patents did not offer a great stronghold, the thorough experience and experts required for the manufacture of the battery would offer ample protection in itBelf.
How if these processes are described in detail and broadcast, as is done in the articles I refer to, X am afraid that when the time comes for you to reap the fruit of your labors, that the competition will be very keen. As you doubtless know there is a German edition of the"American Machinist" and I am sending you copy of a German translation of the first article published about your battery ,
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BERGMANN ELECTRICAL WORKS (machine department).
Ur. Thomas A. Edison.
I have not got a copy of the original article printed in English, and also copy of the second article published in English, which will appear in the next issue of the German edition during the coming week, I understand .
I 8 hould be pleased to have your views in regard to this matter and remain, with best wishes,
Yours very truly,
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Hr. Thomas A. Edison, IieWellyn Park, Orange, E.J. U.3.A.
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SUrgOnyczIm : EGYENARAM. TELEFON 3-52, 3-63, 3-54.
November 15th. 1911
Hr . Thomas A»Edi3on,
Edioonb Laboratory,
Orange, New -Tersey.U.S.A.
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in touch with the German Edi3on Storage Battery Go. regarding tfie \f ^
adaption of your storage battery in place of the Tudor lead ones we use in our automobiles, and they have made us a proposition that is not practical or feasible to carry out with our type of autos.
Instead of the 44 lead cells that we have in each of our autos, and which are all placed in one trough that has its place in the front of the auto, as you will well remember and which we showed you while here,the German Co. have proposed to us YO cells of your type A 6, of which only 28 find room in the trough.while the rest they ask us to place underneath the chauffer's seat and under the seat in the coupe' which is simply impossible. The chauffer,! may mention needs the box under his seat, while it is out of question to put anything under the seat in the coupe.
The one great advantage of the battery disposition in a trough at the front of the motor.is that by a single manipulation the whole battery can be taken out or replaced again.and
it ia not necessary to handle tiny other part of the auto. thus in¬ suring the coupe' against all risks of damage or excessive usage.
In conclusion I may state that the question of finding a suitable bunk in existing automobiles for the disposition ,*of Edison cells.which require much more 3pace than the lead type,mu3t be studied better, and ways and means must be found so that trials can be made in automobiles that were not expressly built for them.
I remain.
Your3 very truly
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Dear Sir:-
In consequence of your letter written to Mr. Edison on the 6th inst. and a letter of the Deutshe Edison Accunralatoren Co. written to me on the 8th inst., Mr. Edison gave order that the following should be sent to you:
1 cell A-8; 1 cell A-10; 1 cell A-12; 1 tray for 6 A-6 , without cells, including holders.
For the new construction of the trays it is necessary that the cells are dipped in an insulating material. Besides that the holders for the cells must be made. Regards information for making the insulating stuff, Mr. Edison decided:
"And say that we will send over the formula for the black dope soon as we are making a change in its composition and application."
Therefore it is not possible today to give you final information regards the new trays or the kind of insulating dope, but this is to' be done after Mr. Edison decides so.
I want to draw your attention to the faot that it will be simpler and include less loss of time if you give a formal order in case you want any samples like the above mentioned cells and tray. If such an order does not go with your letter, some loss of time is unavoidable.
Regarding the question how much lithium should be put in the "A" type oellB,
Mr. Holland already wrote you a letter and I furthermore gave him your letter of the 6th inst. on request of Mr. Edison.
Mr. Holland said that he wants to v/ait for an answer from you on his letter and that he then, if necessary, will take this matter up again.
Mr. Holland thinks it absolutely impossible that your cells should have suffered, because the renewing-solution contained instead of
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15 gr. of lithium per liter only 11.2 gr. and he explained that the cells, which are running here , have been treated according to the former description nearly two years and no doubtful results whatever were experienced.
As far as I am informed myself T can only confirm Hr. Holland's view. It is of the greatest importance that the first filling of the cells be made in the right way. If that is the case, it is not possible, that the amount of lithium can become so poor as to cause a falling out of the hydrat , as long as there exists only a difference of 4 gr . lithium in the solution which serves for the renewal.
Hot only the innumerable trials in the laboratory but also the results of practical use speak against such a possibility.
Yours very truly.
Signed: H. Kammerhoff.
FED:
Deutsche
€dison -jdkkumulatoren - Company
g. m. b. Jp.
Jfy dear Bdieont-
I teg to confirm our exchange of cablegrams
•Can secure definitely contract fifteen hundred cells Paris omnibuases listprice twenty percent discount let me make this contract wire when you can furnish tubing"- Bergmann;
•We cannot do as requested have closed with Paris parties to work Prance and England - Bdison -
and am also in receipt of your letter of Bovember 7th.
As you will have noted from ny cablegram, we had an opportunity of securing a contract for 1200 to 1500 cells for automobile busses for Paris and this would have been a good chance for us to make a Dollar. Perhaps you will still see your way clear to permit us to work Prance for a few years ? Itis with great regret that I have stopped our Paris negotia¬ tions.
Enclosed please find a translation of a letter from Mr. Rathenau's concern, which speaks for itself and from which
j)eutsche €dison-JIkkumu/atoren-Compan y
g. m. b. f>.
Mr. Thomas A. Edison. - 2 - 11.29.11.
you will see that they are not interested in your battery . I never heard a word from Mr. Rathenau personally since, except what I wrote you before, simply that he turned the matter over to his Manager Wolff, who is in charge of the Automobile Department. I am going to write Mr. Rathenau to return the Beach catalogue and will ibrward same to Mr. de Rodor in Budapest, in compliance with your wishes. I have already written Mr. de Rodor in regard to this matter.
You are quite correct in stating that we do not need the hydroxide and we only desired to use this in order to work up our materials on hand. We now have several orders for Austria and Hungary and are sending you herewith our requisition for 200.000 tubes
to be shipped in four consignments, during a term of three monthB. Kindly arrange that this order is executed promptly, as this is of the greatest importance to us.
1 have noted your remarks with regard to the iron very carefully and as the difference in the cost of this if produced here or procured from America is so slight 1 have given orders that a requisition for
3000 lbs.
iron mix be sent you and should he obliged if you would see to it that this is sent along promptly.
We are also sending you by registered mall a check for $ 4411.38 in settlement of our account outstanding, Up to
October 1st.
- 2 -
Deutsche €dison-Jtkkumulatoren-Company
g. m. b. n. _
Mr. Thomas A. Jdisor
11.29.11.
Further, we heg to call your attention to the fact that up to the present date, we have not received a conflrmation^’rora you for the order for 50,000 tubes, contained^i'our letter of November : 7th. Ve trust, however, nevertheless that this order is
well in hand i all possible .
w'and that shipment willbe made as quickly as at
r should esteem ,i"t a favor if you would issue instruc¬ tions that our orders receive prompt attention and trusting to hear from you when delivery will he effected, X am s very truly.
A %% 44* A * 4
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Please telegraph me what has been shipped.
S.B.
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L,
UVrnv
Deutsche Edison-Akkumulatoren-Comp .
z.Hd.d.Herrn Generaldirektor Bergmann, Berlin N. 20.
9 Drontheimerstr . 35/38.
Sehr geehrter Herr Generaldirektor l
Ich besitze Ihre gafl.Offsrte von 23.V.H. und hahe die in derselhen au^afUhrten Daten einen genauen Vergleiche mit den von uns hislang verwendeten Blei- hatterlen unterworfen. Hierhei hat sich horausgestellt, daes, ahgesehen von dem hedeutend hoheren Anschaffungs- preise, die Grundflache der Batterie bo groese Dimen- slonen aufweist, daes as unmoglich 1st, eine passende Batterie, z.B. In unaeren Droschkentyp einzubauen.- Ich sehe nioh daher zu meinom Bsdauern gezwungen, von einem Versuche abzusehen.
Die welteren Ultteilungen tiber die ArbeitBweise der Batterie hahen mich in hohem Masse lnteressiert und ich sage Ihnen hlerfGr meinen verhindlichsten Dank.
[ATTACHMENT/ENCLOSURE]
Hit dam Ausdrucka meiner vorzuglichstan Hocha^- tung, empfahle ich mloh, aahr gaahrtar Harr Genaral- direktor
als Ihr ganz ergetener
SchfAn.
[ATTACHMENT/ENCLOSURE]
TRAHBXATIOI
5 sue Automobil-Oesellschaft , Berlin.
Berl in-OberschSneweide ,
Bovember 24th, 1911.
Deutsche Bdison Akkumulatoren Comp.
Attention* Hr. Bergmann, general Director.
Berlin H. 20. Dromtheimerstr . 35/38.
Dear Kr. Ber gaannt-
X am in receipt of your quotation of the 23rd ult. and have had a careful comparison made, between the data contained therein and the lead batteries used by ub up to the present. Brora this we have ascertained that apart from the much higher cost, the area of the battery is such as to render it im¬ possible to find room for a suitable battery in our type of cab.
I am, therefc e, to my regret, compelled to desist from making a test.
The other particulars, concerning the mode of opera¬ tion of the battery have interested me immensely and I wish to express my best thanks for seme.
With the expression of ny v«iy best respects, X beg to remain, Bear Ur. Bergmann,
Yours very Ihithfully ,
(signed) -illegible-
BERGMANN ELECTRICAL
ORKS (MACHINE DEPARTMENT).
Hr. Thoaao A. IUhb.
X did Mt npiit that Mr. lathonau wold «rdor any battorlaa, but thought that cat iof gratltada an* nipiot far you, ho would, at loaot, hato tabaa tho tradblo to giro tho battaiy aao fair trial. X iaforaad hla partita that if thoy daairod ta aaka tidal, I would ha willing to faavlah thaai a battery and thay would nut have to pay a oaat for it ad aould ratura aawa ta at, if wot aatlaf notary , hut thoy would not aroa do that ta aoat you.
I hin juat aaea tho aueloaad plotura ia oaa of tho aacaaiaaa, illuatratluf tha groat, oroat whoa you wura With your jrlaaA Bathoaaa and thought it would probably lataroat you.
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AILGEMEINE ELEKTRICI2TS-GESELLSCHAFT
Friedrich Kerl-Ufer 2-1.
Direktion.
J.1J073 .2319. BERLIN NW., de^.*,D«a«B(ber 1911.
3ehr gaehrter Herr Oeneraldlr ektor . ,
in WJflioAer Brledlgung Ibrea Oeehrtea Tom 80. M. reloAe ioA die nir a. Zt. traundllohat ttberlasBenan Unterlagea Aetr. die Bdieoa-Batterl# att varAladlioAem Dank . aobei wieder aurtiok and Aegrttaae Sie mtt ergaAaaar HooAaoAtuag
H#rr Gaaaraldlrelrtor 3. Bargxaaan
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muri i *uhtrheitaetB-oeeeiiaai»ft,
i. a. k.i.in».
vrletrieh Karl Ufer t - 4
HrUn It, PeeeBber 6th, 1911.
Zb aply te year eel
ult., 1 hag ta return herewith , with heat aeneeml«g the atlacn battery, Ml* re
rat letter ef the 80th ;h*ka, the papa
klBtly furnlehe* ■
reealti
hr. 8. Mpue, OeBeral Ureeter.
Perils 18.
Mo cm
. Bachman fr. Boo : -
am today advising Mr. Borgmann i their order 41152 of Novemhor
wmmmm
,7. IKOHABD.
ra?,/AL
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fiV , , Deutsche Edison Akkumulatoron Co. ,
y;i ! 35 DrontheimerBtrasse,
a1 Berlin, Germany.
Gentlemon:-
We Beg to confirm formal acknowledge¬ ment of your order #1153, November 30th, roferrod to in youra of the 29th ult.,and wouia adviBe that instead of dividing 200,000 tuhoB in 4 shipments during a period of throe months, wo will Bhip 100,000 on January 13th, an additional 50,000 on February 3rd and the remaining 60,000 on February 24th. This will Bring it well within the throe months period. 1,000 lBa. of the 3,000 lBo. Of Iron Mix was shipped By the Edison Chemioal Works on the 16th inst. , ana the Balance of the order will Be forwarded vory shortly.
The prioe on the Nickel TuBob will Be $3,972 per hundred as quoted you By Mr. Edison in letter of Oct. 12th, and price on the Iron Mix will Be »8/! per IB. , paoking and freight to How York extra. The advance on the prioe of Iron Mix over the oia prioe of 34 p represents a proportion of the royalty of Mr. Edison, of 40fS per A-4 cells.
In your remittance of $4411.38 rooently re- oelved you failed to enclose the Bills oovoring auto hire of $1100.00 inourrea By Mr. Edison <m his European trip and Bill for §148.60, drosses for Mrs. Edison, Both of which items you oharged to our account os of September 28th. We requested that these Bills Bo sent us in our letter o-r OotoBer 12th ana expooted to receive them with the next remittance. You will appreciate the necessity of our having them Before proper erndit can Be made to |
your aooount and disposition of the items at this end. j
We assure you that prompt attention will Be i
given to the order now in our hands, as well as future orders.
Youra very truly,
EDISON STORAGE BATT'OT COMPANY |
\
TJDiAL
Office Manager.
Edison General File Series 1911. Battery, Storage - Railroad (E-11-22)
This folder contains correspondence relating to the use of Edison’s alkaline storage battery in railroads and locomotives. Most of the letters pertain to the electrification of terminals in Chicago. Several items concern visitors to West Orange and experiments with Edison's locomotive battery. Among the documents in Edison's hand are draft letters to consulting engineer Horace F. Parshall and to Louis A. Ferguson of the Commonwealth Edison Co. in Chicago. Other correspondents include Edison's chief engineer, Donald M. Bliss; C. Pickard, a developerfrom the Canadian Maritimes; Gibbs & Hill of New York, consulting engineers for the Chicago Chamber of Commerce; and representatives of the Baldwin Locomotive Works.
All of the documents have been selected.
How York, January 17, 1911.
I,lr. D. M. Bliss, jb^V <4uv -
Chief Engineer, Edison Laboratories , ' '&■
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You can quite readily understand' that "this is very X state that
no cos Gary
> of., tho leading and very influential promoters in Montreal, and who is vory largely interested in electric propositions in Couth America, Morel oo and California, lauglied at the idea of storage batteries. ^ *. • f^L
If you will leindly tall: this matter over with I.Ir. Edison and, if possible, have him write a personal letter boaring on the subject. Phis with tho information which tlio otlior departments aro going to send mo will vory materially aid in carrying out the undertalcing.
X will bo at tho Manhattan V/ednosday and Thursday. .Again thanking you for your kindness, I am,
llr, Thomas A. Vdlaon,
Orange, New Jersey,
NT. rr,KA!J(?
Dear SJjm*
kindly peter to our conversation of the 16th regard¬ ing heavy storage hattery locomotive for terminal work, ffe find It mecmmamps -te *ork up jutm/s ^rcllnlnary flats on the com¬ plete elect vt&eglAfm ** flniofcljr *a possible, and will thank you for anything y«n ean flot«pa»as hurrying the necessary figures
on the battery-
"Thanking yoa la advance. » are, Wary truly yours,
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therein seems attractive from pur point of view. Jt yet remains for us, however, to -do more Retailed figuring whichwill Involve the approximate weight, alee, and number of flells of battery re¬ quired. If year engineers are not ^already working on this* will you kindly Bee that we nrp supplied with at least .appPOifliBBte, figures of this kind.
It now looks an though It would be deal rob la to carry the whole battery on e. separate tender phloh pould then be entirely disconnected and a new fully charged one aubetltptddt- This, of course, would havev*i>e ndyant 0(C\ Hoping ^ho «SW» locomotive and>" engine creb Jn pprvloe^
Awaiting your further advices upd thawing ?9F th» useful information so far given, we prp,
Very truly your a.
BALDWIN LOCOMOTiViHWnBKR.
ELECTfflC LOCOMuKy^tojEfflENTi
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New York, May 31, 1911.
Mr. Thos. A. Edison,
Orange, N. J.
Dear Sir:-
Thinking that it may be of interest we are sending you under separate cover, copy of the report which we have made upon the service and equipment of the Philadelphia Rapid Transit Company for the Pennsylvania State Railroad Commission.
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CHICAGO, ILL.
JU2U3 8t]l, 1911.
Mr.l’honas A. ECU b on,
Edison laboratories.
Yfest Orange, Her/ Jersey.
lily doer Ur. Edison;
E oil owing our conversation of last Eriday at your lab¬ oratory in relation to the use of storage battery locomotives in connection with our branch line from the main lino of the 03iicaSo a northwestern Railway to our now northwest Station. I am sending you enclosed ah. abstract of specifications for two 60-ton loco¬ motives which are already upon order from the General Electric
Company.
I should be glad if you would loot these over and ad- viae me what battery you would propose to usefor this purpose, giving weight of battery; oar end trucks to carry it; ovor-all
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tovy and housing* oomplcto, ready for the rails.
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Abstract of specifications for Two 60-ton locomotives Commonwealth Edison Company
1. General Design
Steel platform carrying a steel cab cold mounted on two articulated truoks equipped with standard geared rail¬ way motors. G.E. Company's outline drawing T-844160.
2. Running Gear
Pour driving wheels and steel frame of locomotive typo carrying draft gear at one end and connected at other end by hinge to second truck, the whole completely equalized.
3. Voltage
600 volts direct current.
4. Collecting Bovices
Both underrunning third rail and pantagraph trolley.
5. Motors
Pour typo UK. -207 standard, box frame, commutating polo, geared, railway motors.
6. Control Equipment
Type "M" single unit, two master controllers, seven steps in series and five steps in parallel.
7. capacity
A. At rated load of motors, tractive effort 15,000 pounds; the speed 8.2 miles per hour; total input 460 amperes at 600 volts.
B. Maximum instantaneous tractive effort for start¬ ing possibly 30,000 pounds, input 425 amperes por motor assuming 26$ co-officient adhesion. The tractive effort is equivalent to 1020 kw. at moment of starting, and aftor that an average of probably 300 kw. normal operation.
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Kindly refer to our letter of May 87th and advice to approximately when we nay expect the Information reque&ed^ j therein. He can realize that this may require some consBLar«S \ J able figuring, but we are anxious to proceed with our laySpt % >>
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Very truly yeura,
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your electrical engineer cone to Laboratory to get explanation..
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Aa oonaultlnG engineers for the Chioago Chamber of Come roe
Committee on smoke abatement we are considering the uae/t ngjrar for
operating railway terminala, both freight and pasaengefr, aa&/tttej J BP®^5'1
consideration to the lateat development in storage bafrfS£iea electric locomotives, eapeoially for yard snitching purposes.
in a largo freight classification yard there are, of course, difficulties in the way of installing third rail or overhead trolley, and the storage battery locomotive if commercially practicable for this class of service would possess many advantages.
We are writing, therefore, to ash that you advise us as to the feasibility of your improved type of battery for this class of service, and that you give us some general figures on capacity, weight and cost, which nay safely be used in our present preliminary study of the question.
Such a looonotive of the type Indicated should be capable of the same performance as.. a" steam switching locomotive with four pairs of driving wheels end having -a ■ weight of about 80 tons on the drivers. The speed of the locomotive would be from eight to twelve miles per hour, depending on the load handled, and it should have a maximum draw bar pill of approximately 40,000 lbs. The average load would, of course, he small as the service would vary from light engine movements to the maximum train above indicated, the majority of the move-
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menf being not mow than ten or twelve oare. In the preeent case the average conditiona would he equivalent to level track. hut grades of from .6 to 1 percent would be enoountered.
Will you kindly adviee as to whether you are in poeition to furnish batteries to meet the service conditions above indicated, and if so lot u, have full particulars as to weight, cost, rate of discharge and charge, time re¬ quired for ohargine and other Information bearing upon the subject. '
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Last July, in company vith^our^.^ile, ^1 ^Ji^af,l.4v,.c. » your plant and had a very int^ting ^ ^ •f'
your new storage battery whi Jh^e^ere'' considering usin|)in^
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ing used very successfully for running street cars, and I i now asked by the Chief Engineer of the Chicago Electrification and smoke Abatement committee to find out from you whether there are any late developments regarding this battery, and whether you have any more positive and complete information as to the actual working of these bitteries instead of the test cells up¬ on which your experiments had been made last July. If there are any later developments or any further tests, we would be glad if you could send us a record, as we wish to make a report to the Chicago Commission on this subject.
Yours very truly.
Consulting Engineer .
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Baldwin Locomotive Works,
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Attention Ur. GeoyjR. Henderson-Consulting Engineer. Bear Sir:-
Your letter of the 8th instant regarding storage hWeries X electric locomot Wreceived.
The only nwWloplnt to date is in^e manufacture of special ap&^W. \ to, the couU of construction, for our 15<5«npere hohAstorage capacity cell, and/ of whic now -o\,W 400/celle per day.
Some improvement^ ha^e also Been a mechanism of the cell, and lumber of ezpei on test, show great poBsiblii\ies for furljJ in rapidity of charge and/discJ
Mr. Beach ha/ cars running at j hour and he is now Building some to\ case the cells are^mder the seats < of the car.
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Edison General File Series 1911. Battery, Storage - Submarines (E-11-23)
This folder contains correspondence relating to the use °f Epson's storage battery in submarines, torpedo boats, warships, and other naval vessels. Although there are a few items in Edison s hand or bearing Edison marginalia, the documents consist primarily of typewritten letters to Edison from his chief engineer and representative in naval matters Miller Reese Hutchison Some letters are addressed to Frank L. Dyer in his capacity as “ prudent o, the Edison Storage Battery Co. Other include foreign associates Sigmund Bergmann in Germany and Maunce E. Fox in Russia. Most of the documents concern attempts to elicit decisions by the U.S. government and foreign governments regarding the purchase i and adoption of storage batteries for naval vessels. Some items pertain to the comparativeperformance of Edison's and competitors' batteries Also included are articles from foreign newspapers, which were translated on Edison's behalf during his trip to Europe in 1911.
ADDroximately 90 percent of the documents have been selected. The unselected mater Jconsists of unsolicited correspondence, routine letters of acknowledgment, and duplicates.
January 10, I?*II
fly doar iir. Ediuon,
An n nuisriary of r.iy calculatione T bop to •mi'iimit the following approximate
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Cell, eonniotinp, of I?-' P Pooitiveo and i^, filled with electrolyte, a?p. e-OS Iho
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On the throe hour rate the irs-d does 3f» oto J ■
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5 Of 6ft?' and Wfi respectively.
pr*H*pt'novb*n rlne boats o'f the U.S.Vavy, wo will nail- 0 ,8*.5 o. SSTb 16 Cells, equivalent , at fcXOO.QO per K.W.Hr. t, d ir. mt.
If, within the next five years- the life mxivm of Send in riot: bont.0- we pet the battery buainone ui -.he
will msll'8,8Ift of
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I 06JJ,»S8 hicV.el plates havims the •>" tuxia,( A uUo) iJisa’.XttO Iron pint. os , (A t'ir.o) , . , .
"{auiveient to 360,90A A-4 Cells, the labor and
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ton are selling A-4 ' Colls at a price par i Power «*ur tt00iQ0 por K^.Hr. of tUo 13-19 cell,; you got
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will have he i-iado for
Vhe equivalent of ^.VP'S !! "I0'; i^nn+irrated CellB
iu about 860,904.1b antorinl and labor . ""'gg- "day* it* would On y-r vninent ^aei^u^e^^ cell.^ JV, *
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MILLER REESE HUTCHISON ENGINEER
My dear Mr. Moadoworaft,
I am enclosing data sheets re. Submarine Cells.
I will appreciate it if you will have three Bets type¬ written about as arranged on the "Adder" sheet with which I took more pains than with the rest. One Bet goes into a book for Mr. EdiBon's desk, with the other data 1 gave you. The other eet goes into a book for my Submarine files together with a copy of the data I gave you today. The remaining Bet of these hfee pageB I would like to have for my pocket book, as mine are made out with pen and ink.
I may not get over to the Laboratory today unless that data comes in from Washington. 1 suppose they are sending it by mail instead of telegraph and I am anxious to check up on these figures as quickly as possible. If those Navy fellows did anything in a hurry they would faint from over work.
I will be at my office practically all day after II A.M.
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January 13, 1911.
Mr. Frank L Dyer, Vice Pres.,
Edison. Storage Battery Co.,
Orange , N . J .
My dear Mr. Dyer
I am in receipt of your letter of the 10th instant, and it will afford me a great deal of pleasure to keep you posted as to developments in my Navy end of the battery business iron tine to tine.
The next move is to build one of the S19 cells and subject it to actual submarine cdnditicns . The loading machine fo -r l/e" tubes will soon be finished, and the rest of the work
UrP-ss the foreign submarines operate at different voltages and have different battery tank capacities than the America’-' beats, I think I have one size of cell, whicn in height and width, will fit all of the boats. Tt may be necessary to nake^an eight positive type S for the "Adder" clans type of submarines for the United States Navy, unless I can. get the Department to put 120 volt motors in them, in place of the 240 volt motors they have now. This is the oldest type of boat built, but there a^e- seven of them, and therefore the battery renewals, in which we a_e very much interested, are long since due.
At >!ihespnfisno new batteries are being bought for submarines by this’ Navy. Tho present batteries are being patched up and made to do, until our battery comoo out.
I must say it has been a very difficult job to break up the political influence and lead pipe cinch the Holland Boat Company has enjoyed up to the present time Heretofore the govern ment had to take a boat with any kind of a battery the .-lolland Company wanted to put in, provided the boat would come up to her mileage per charge and speed on the trial trip. Also renewal parts, such as. plates, separators etc. had to be purchased from the Holland Company, or if purchased from the Electric Batte: the Holland people got their rake-off. The pr^ce of such partB f.om both companies was the same.
X 1 f,t±st succeeded in pointing out and proving the alliince between the Holland Boat Company and the Electric Storage Battery' Company. I followed this up by putting it up to the Depart-
Mr. Frank L Dyer,
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raent whether they wanted to continue under this yoka or the voke o**f, and specify whatever battery they, wanted to use in zne boats! It was put up to me very plainly by the Holland Company, that if we did not tie up with them and supply submarine type batteries exclusively in this country, that we could not sell any batteries to the Government, I disproved this assertion bj Going
to Washington and sailing a complete submarine battery equipment
for the Cuttlefish, at an unnamed price, indefinite delivery, and indefinite capacity. I also burrowed the Cuttlefish for two or three months to experiment with, after the battery eqiilpm.nt goes in. These ejsperiments I will conduct myself » 1 °£ and ifterh
these tests have been finished, specificatio: which all submarine batteries moat come up ,
rand crew, and after > will be drawn , to >r they will not ba
After I had sold this battery equipment and was playing safe, I told the submarine people (U* "°t °are^to consiai tvinp uo v/ith them at the present time, "-a -tr* J5d. son is ..vexse to doing business on anything which he has not finished ana thor¬ oughly tested to his satisfaction, I therefore l‘-f t r.Lo ,
open, and their representative departed dlr.iippc-.n-ed bu . hopeful .
I did this without committing -ourselves in any way bu - *
rio that if wo need any information regarding detdils of -hJ B£h marines, which we might net succeed in getting otherwise, -hat we
etty apt to get them from 1
I am now star tir submarines in the seme manner,, at an early date as to the numt ine type cells needed by each c U. S. conditions.
Rverv time I hear fnom Washington,- or visit the Department, the' request is earnestly reposed that we do all in our power to finish the Cuttlefish battery, so th*-. the tee-e can be completed a*l specifications drawn at the earliest possible date. We are. all bending our energies to this end now,
I have been confined to my desk figuring over, and checking up on this submarine data , to the. extent fenat 1 been to call on Mr. Dyer Smith for further^conaiUtation ragardlng patents Mr. Edison wants filed. I hope to be a little easier next week. i..<
Yours sincerely,
Jan. 24, I9II.
My dear Mr. Edison,
Herewith draft of reply to the Electric Boat Oo .
When Spier reads this he will he interested.
I want to keep their friendship without allying ourselves with them, and have shown how we are being encouraced by the various Governments and the interest and confidence that exists in the success of the final outcome.
Polite way of saying, "we esteem your friendship but dont need you to sell our batteries".
Having failed to land us, they will next adopt the
battery, when it is ready, and advertise that fact, to stand in
with the various Governments . I have already gotten the U.S.Navy Dept, under the impression that the battery is much bigger than the boat in importance, and now they are considering building their own submarines •
If we only had the time to get out a submarine, it would be
an easy job to clean the E.B.Oo. up in a short while. They have
got to make a hit in some way soon or lose all their friends, They see in the Edieon Battery what they are looking for.
Sincerely,
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January 24.
1911.
Mr. Thomas A. Edison,
Orange , N . J .
My dear Hr. EdiBon,-
By the enclosed clipping, you will -see that Mr. Flint is interested in a new submarine boat proposition.
Knowing that you and Mr. Flint are friends,
I am drafting the enclosed letter which I thought you might wish to s end to Mr • Flint .
Yours sincerely.
January 26, Iflll.
;,’y dear Hr.' 13d j non,
V/o are .about to cone into possession of details of submarine wul other -raval mtteru portaiiiine to storage nati.ory adaptation, from the leading Powers.
It is miite an extraordinary position to bo placed, in.
It is necessary that v;o, boinK placed on honor to preserve tee
While 1 have no doubt but that each and all of your trussed men
we ne d if nore than yourself and one other person as
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there? o re ^be nllLllry for no to get the information we need and assist all I can in the application oi it.
I have had considerable dealings with ifavy men, and thaw wot it straight from you that they can talk to me as ?hoy mat; they are going to hold back, and we are Roxng to run chances of falling down somewhere.
I have therefore drafted the enclosed letter which we can send, with your signature and approval in eat. ..i case , to th«
S’S/SSSS detLlf and’aaaistanoe of pfeparition of the reports they will have to send to thoir Oovermnents.
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. January 27, 1011.
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renresent-"-- . - , - - tors here and .-t hie privttc o^lco. is in -charge of tho «u«ptf.ti or. of r.y ' roquirorMciiti" o*T vlie Uniljcu- ^’tritcs otj ■ transact all business in connection ’ He is nooted in submarine anu. other j ‘.•/battery, v-Au is, therefore, in a, pee: - ’combinations arid 'Sizes of battery to
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J'eb.9,1911.
Dear Ur. Edition,
Commander Vaauilieff ia an enthuaiaBtic convert. H8 had been loaded up pretty well by the lead people, and wan aociewhat
Bho?t-c^cuMnKBah A-l lofialMnuteHnd letSSng'hto watch the
call on the lead people and pet then a 150 A.H. cell. He aniled.
before he left he aaked rae to send him a complete ej<M- bition ceil for nutting on hio desk in Washington. Also anotner c»u arid a complete exhibition board for him to send to Huosia to be hung tip in the War Soilage, for the naval i&dtoipmon .o be taught from. He will utart a couruc of instruction at once.
When I offered to write his report for him, rcaay for trantO ation ax- A forwarding to Rucaia, he was enthuaiasticall grateful. Enjoined me to secrecy about it, but wall be glad .o „ct it.
I ha/re got the Jlrassilian Attache coming in a few days. Wiuh thoue fellowe could talk English better. Hence of a joo .o explain a battery to such a nan.
i would never get tired of looking,
'.Thought he would never get tired of looking, 110 .. made Mm walk to the top of the phonograph building and into that wax room before he got hio wind, and that finished Mm. Then took him to Forest Hill on the Reach car and Beach took him on to hew York on the train.
Ho asked me especially to express^ his high appreciation of the photograph and inscription thereon. Harveled at the handwriting.
Sincerely,
March let, 1911 >
Mr. Thomas A. .Edison, Orange , N . -T .
Dear Mr. Edison, -
I have just returned from Washington.
I interested the Bureau of Steam Engineering in Edison Battery for portable and stationary telegraph afiflar- atus, and sold them two B-2 and two B-4 ignition outfits, which they are going to test and find which size is best suited to their requirements. There is every indication that only Edison Batteries will be used in future for this work.
Had a long talk with the Ordnance Department, and find they are very anxious to adapt- the Battery to gun sighting and gun firing. 1 advised tan cel 1b
and they asked me 60 design up a box that'^rpuld bW^tnnHyytd put our trays into. The immediate market is for forty sets, and with a visible market of five hundred sets within the hear future..
I asked Ammunition Department Officials what nrovision they are making toward supplying light in the raag- azonos in case the ship light circuit goes off. When you stop to think of it, whan preparing for battle, all boilers are being brought into .commission hurriedly, and suaden spurts of speed when maneouvering for position, tends to lift thnwater in the boilers, /commonly known as priming) especially if they liave to use sea water in emergency. This priming will effect a small engine , such as is used to run a dynamo , much more than a larfee engine, causing sylinder heads to be blown off, and the lights to go off. I suggested that they install one hundred A-8 cells to supply their one hundred 16 o.p.lanps for six hours, and i^sue orders for the magazine lights to be thrown onto the storage battery circuit, when the order Clear decks for action", temgt . They immediately grasped the sig¬ nificance of the suggestion and unanimously decided that Ed- isoh Battery would be par excellence for such use, because of the ability to re$H n charge for long periods.
Thera is every indication that' every Warship will he equipped with Edison flattery for magazine lighting.
All torpedo boats and torpedo boat destroyers are compelled to carry storage batteries to sight and fire guns at night. These batteries are not used except for such purpose, 1. e. once a year in battle practise, it becomes nec¬ essary for them to discharge and charge the batteries once a month to keep them in condition, and this, in the limited room aboard such a craft, is undesirable. The ability of the nattery to reatin charge, commendB it for such work, and the Ordnance people tell me I am pretty sure to get all this business. •
I am going after every department where .Edison Batteries can be used in the Navy, and only regret that I am noh
at liberty to work the Army end as well, as I am sure I can
Bhov; immediate results. As I understand it from Mr, Bee, there is some young man in Washington who is trying to interest the Array, but whose progress has beeR slow. I do not wish to tread on anvone's toes, but I am on this Job with a full head of steam", and am in as close touch with the Annie s uMI as with
the Navies of the various Oountries . I also realise you axe
supplying stock batteries at a. loss , and do not feel aB if I should expect a commission on small battery work, while you are working at a loss. Hence, ray efforts in this line are at present a labor of love, which I am very glad to do for the good of the cause. But when I do sell batteries to the Army, ifidyon you want me to, I think it would not be right for someone else to stick you for commission while I am working to save you from paying such. After a while, when your production enables you to make a profit on this class of work, I will of course, ex¬ pect to receive a commission. But I am primarily after the Submarine end, the batteries for which will be sold at a prof¬ it from the first. There are a laree number of batterieB usea in Signal Uore and various other Departments of the Army, and they seem to have a much freer T&tp in Giving orders for supplies than the Navy Department has .
Dear Sir,
Since your letter to us of the 30th October last, when you were good enough enough to mention that you were build^ . ing a large cell for submarines, to give heavy discharges an aw<v t a large radius of action, for the United States Government, we have not heard anything from you although we again wrote to. you on February 33rd.
We trust that your experiments have been successful¬ ly carried through, and we shall be pleased if you would communicate with us at your earliest convenience.
This matter has been on the tapis for our Admiralty since September last, and I am really anxious to talk business with you, which you express£>your willingness to do in your last letter to us.
Trusting that we may have the pleasure of a communication by return of mail.
We are,' dear Sir,
Yours very truly,
kixon d Man nock,.
Thomas Edison," Esq.,
The Laboratory," New York.
March 25, I9II.
Messrs Mixon & Mannock,
No. I Victoria Street, S.W. , London, England.
Your letter of the 3rd. inst. , addressed to Mr. Edison, has been referred to me for attention.
At present we are Aot in position to take up the natter of representation in England on the Submarine business. The manifested interest in the Submarine Cell has been so great on the part of the United StateB and Beveral European Navi 68 that we have decided, for the present at leaBt, to take care of this business direct. Quite a few of the Haval Attaches have visited the Laboratory and Battery Works and have, as a result, unanimouslv decided that the Edison Battery will be used to the exclusion of all other types in Submarines in future.
The orders already in hand are necessitating a very large addition to our manufacturing facilities, and the outlook is most encouraging.
Should we feel in need of assistance in Great Britain, we will certainly bear you in mind.
Thanking you for your interest in this matter, and regretting I cannot make any definite arrangements with you at present, X remain,
Very trply.
Personal Representative of ThomaB A. Edison, in Naval Affairs.
May 2§
I9XX
Eleotrio Boat Company,
Now London, Conn.
Gentlemen,
In the matter of supplying you with One Hundred and Nine¬ ty Two (192) Type S-4B Edison Celle, for uee in a certain subma- rine boat ae outlined and dieousBed with your Mr. Edgar on thla date:
If, in oharging, the temperature of the pilot cell does not exceed One Hundred • ( 100) Degrees Fahr. , and if. In discharging said oell temperature does not exceed One Hundred a«d Thirty Jive (136) Degrees Fahr,(the location of said oell to he at the most disadvantageous place In tank , as to cooling) we will guarantee that each of said One Hundred and Ninety Two ( 192) Cells will show an outpdt of Eighty Nine Hundred and Ten (8910) Ampere Hours when discharged immediately after full charge and down to One Volt per oell, at the two hour rate of discharge.
If the battery is indtalled and operated in a manner appro ved by us, we will further guarantee that the oells will he oapableg. of delivering Ninety (90) percent of original guaranteed rated capacity above referred to , at the two hour rata, for a period of Thirty Sis (36) months from the date of initial oharge, and if within suoh period of thirty six mouths the oells fall below ninety peroent of said guaranteed capaoity, we will replaoe the positive plates free of oharge.
If, at any time after thirty six months and before sixty months from the date of initial charge the capacity has gone down to ninety percent of the guaranteed capaoity of eighty nine hundred and ten ampere hours we will, if you desire^ provided the cells are to be used in the samo boat, renew the positive platee at a coet to you of fifty (60) peroent of the original price of the battery, you to furnish the common labor to enable our' engineer to make suoh replacement at suoh Navy Yard where the boat may bo looated.
The price of this battery of one hundred and ninety two (I92-) Type 3-48 Edison Cells is. Two Hundred and Fifty Six Thousand Jive Hundred Dollars ($266, BOO), f.o.b. Orange, N.J. This will include the service* of one of our engineers to supervise installation of battery in the boat, you to pay his travelling expenses and keep from time of leaving the factory until. his return, not to exceed ten dollars ($10.00) per day .
The eleotrolyte will be shipped in separate drums, whioh remain our property, and whioh are to.be returned to us at your expense as soon as they have been emptied into the oells.
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E. B. /. (2)
Wo oan rna&e delivery of the above mentioned cells in Eight (8) mo nth 8 from receipt of order, provided Buoh order in placed within six months from this date.
Yours very truly,
Edison Storage Battery Co.,
President.
My dear Edison,
I confirm my to-day's telegram as follows:-
"Can get order for two submarines for Italy, one for "